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Pit­falls of Rationality

TagLast edit: Nov 13, 2021, 2:31 PM by Yoav Ravid

Pitfalls of Rationality are frequent error modes, obstacles or problems that arise when people try to practice rationality, or engage with rationality-related materials. Related concepts include the “valley of bad rationality”.

There are two threads touched in posts under this tag:

  1. Things that go wrong when people try to be more rational and they unintentionally end up making things worse.

  2. Arguably, why haven’t rationalists visible succeeded at their bold and ambitious goals yet?

Regarding the first point, from Incremental Progress and the Valley:

Ah. Well, here’s the the thing: An incremental step in the direction of rationality, if the result is still irrational in other ways, does not have to yield incrementally more winning.

The optimality theorems that we have for probability theory and decision theory, are for perfect probability theory and decision theory. There is no companion theorem which says that, starting from some flawed initial form, every incremental modification of the algorithm that takes the structure closer to the ideal, must yield an incremental improvement in performance. This has not yet been proven, because it is not, in fact, true.

See also: Criticisms of the Rationalist Movement, Value of Rationality

Know­ing About Bi­ases Can Hurt People

Eliezer YudkowskyApr 4, 2007, 6:01 PM
224 points
82 comments2 min readLW link

Real­ity-Re­veal­ing and Real­ity-Mask­ing Puzzles

AnnaSalamonJan 16, 2020, 4:15 PM
264 points
57 comments13 min readLW link1 review

Mak­ing your ex­plicit rea­son­ing trust­wor­thy

AnnaSalamonOct 29, 2010, 12:00 AM
121 points
95 comments6 min readLW link

Rea­son as memetic im­mune disorder

PhilGoetzSep 19, 2009, 9:05 PM
507 points
185 comments5 min readLW link

Self-Im­prove­ment or Shiny Dis­trac­tion: Why Less Wrong is anti-In­stru­men­tal Rationality

patrissimoSep 14, 2010, 4:17 PM
154 points
261 comments16 min readLW link

Ex­treme Ra­tion­al­ity: It’s Not That Great

Scott AlexanderApr 9, 2009, 2:44 AM
250 points
281 comments8 min readLW link

Mis­takes with Con­ser­va­tion of Ex­pected Evidence

abramdemskiJun 8, 2019, 11:07 PM
232 points
29 comments12 min readLW link1 review

“Epiphany ad­dic­tion”

cousin_itAug 3, 2012, 5:52 PM
69 points
90 comments1 min readLW link

My ex­pe­rience with the “ra­tio­nal­ist un­canny valley”

Thomas KwaApr 23, 2020, 8:27 PM
66 points
18 comments5 min readLW link

Sum­mary of “The Straw Vul­can”

alexvermeerDec 26, 2011, 4:29 PM
52 points
27 comments6 min readLW link

The Treach­er­ous Path to Rationality

Jacob FalkovichOct 9, 2020, 3:34 PM
207 points
116 comments11 min readLW link1 review

In praise of heuristics

BuckyOct 24, 2018, 3:44 PM
39 points
27 comments7 min readLW link

Ad­ding Up To Normality

orthonormalMar 24, 2020, 9:53 PM
85 points
22 comments3 min readLW link

Bucket Errors

CFAR!DuncanJul 29, 2022, 6:50 PM
43 points
7 comments11 min readLW link

Map Er­rors: The Good, The Bad, and The Territory

orthonormalJun 27, 2020, 5:22 AM
29 points
4 comments2 min readLW link

In­cre­men­tal Progress and the Valley

Eliezer YudkowskyApr 4, 2009, 4:42 PM
98 points
113 comments6 min readLW link

Don’t Make Your Prob­lems Hide

orthonormalJun 27, 2020, 8:24 PM
61 points
5 comments2 min readLW link

Why Don’t Ra­tion­al­ists Win?

Adam ZernerSep 5, 2015, 12:57 AM
11 points
118 comments6 min readLW link

Pseudo-Rationality

Chris_LeongFeb 6, 2018, 8:25 AM
21 points
18 comments2 min readLW link

Ac­cu­racy Ver­sus Winning

John_MaxwellApr 2, 2009, 4:47 AM
12 points
77 comments1 min readLW link

The Costs of Rationality

RobinHansonMar 3, 2009, 6:13 PM
36 points
81 comments1 min readLW link

Don’t Pull a Bro­ken Chain

johnswentworthAug 28, 2019, 1:21 AM
31 points
6 comments5 min readLW link

An Out­side View on Less Wrong’s Advice

Mass_DriverJul 7, 2011, 4:46 AM
84 points
162 comments8 min readLW link

Bayesi­ans vs. Barbarians

Eliezer YudkowskyApr 14, 2009, 11:45 PM
105 points
277 comments8 min readLW link

Ra­tion­al­ists should be­ware rationalism

Kaj_SotalaApr 6, 2009, 2:16 PM
32 points
32 comments3 min readLW link

No Really, Why Aren’t Ra­tion­al­ists Win­ning?

Sailor VulcanNov 4, 2018, 6:11 PM
38 points
90 comments5 min readLW link

Trust in Bayes

Eliezer YudkowskyJan 29, 2008, 11:12 PM
40 points
28 comments8 min readLW link

[Link] Nerds are nuts

[deleted]Jun 7, 2012, 7:48 AM
37 points
44 comments8 min readLW link

Memes and Ra­tional Decisions

inferentialJan 9, 2015, 6:42 AM
35 points
18 comments10 min readLW link

Do we have it too easy?

KlaoNov 2, 2011, 1:53 AM
37 points
44 comments3 min readLW link

I’m be­com­ing in­tol­er­ant. Help.

loup-vaillantJun 30, 2011, 3:30 PM
34 points
85 comments1 min readLW link

Skills and Antiskills

katydeeApr 26, 2014, 6:54 AM
43 points
54 comments1 min readLW link

A Re­fu­ta­tion of (Global) “Hap­piness Max­i­miza­tion”

fareAug 25, 2020, 8:33 PM
−1 points
5 comments15 min readLW link

Do not ask what ra­tio­nal­ists should do

thakilJul 13, 2011, 10:47 AM
34 points
21 comments1 min readLW link

Two Kinds of Ir­ra­tional­ity and How to Avoid One of Them

ChrisHallquistFeb 2, 2012, 6:13 PM
30 points
9 comments4 min readLW link

Post/​Pre

OuroborusMar 6, 2020, 12:54 AM
17 points
1 comment1 min readLW link
(ouroborusdotblog.wordpress.com)

What can thought-ex­per­i­ments do?

Cleo NardoJan 17, 2023, 12:35 AM
16 points
3 comments5 min readLW link

[Question] What ra­tio­nal­ity failure modes are there?

Ulisse MiniJan 19, 2024, 9:12 AM
42 points
11 comments1 min readLW link

Jor­dan Peter­son: Guru/​Villain

Bryan FrancesFeb 3, 2023, 9:02 AM
−14 points
6 comments9 min readLW link

Turn­ing 22 in the Pre-Apocalypse

testingthewatersAug 22, 2024, 8:28 PM
37 points
14 comments24 min readLW link
(utilityhotbar.github.io)

The Case for Irrationality

saimupp04Jan 26, 2025, 8:04 PM
1 point
0 comments6 min readLW link

Why There Is No An­swer to Your Philo­soph­i­cal Question

Bryan FrancesMar 24, 2023, 11:22 PM
−12 points
10 comments12 min readLW link

Some po­ten­tial dan­gers of ra­tio­nal­ity training

lukeprogJan 21, 2012, 4:50 AM
28 points
48 comments1 min readLW link

The Cow­pox of Doubt

Scott AlexanderApr 16, 2014, 1:04 AM
66 points
2 comments5 min readLW link

18-month fol­low-up on my self-con­cept work

Kaj_SotalaDec 18, 2018, 5:40 PM
62 points
4 comments8 min readLW link
(kajsotala.fi)

What it means to optimise

Neel NandaJul 25, 2020, 9:40 AM
6 points
0 comments8 min readLW link
(www.neelnanda.io)

“No ev­i­dence” as a Valley of Bad Rationality

Adam ZernerMar 28, 2020, 11:45 PM
106 points
21 comments2 min readLW link1 review

The prob­lem with too many ra­tio­nal memes

Swimmer963 (Miranda Dixon-Luinenburg) Jan 19, 2012, 12:56 AM
122 points
342 comments3 min readLW link

Dou­ble-Dip­ping in Dun­ning—Kruger

isovectorNov 28, 2018, 3:40 AM
88 points
32 comments3 min readLW link

Against Shoot­ing Your­self in the Foot

Eliezer YudkowskyNov 16, 2017, 8:13 PM
47 points
3 comments3 min readLW link

Cul­tish Countercultishness

Eliezer YudkowskyDec 30, 2007, 12:53 AM
103 points
32 comments9 min readLW link

Poll re­sults: LW prob­a­bly doesn’t cause akrasia

AnnaSalamonNov 16, 2011, 6:03 PM
73 points
106 comments8 min readLW link

Sim­pli­cio and Sophisticus

ZviJul 22, 2018, 1:30 PM
42 points
1 comment4 min readLW link
(thezvi.wordpress.com)

I’m scared.

Mass_DriverDec 23, 2010, 9:05 AM
56 points
81 comments1 min readLW link

Be­ing Half-Ra­tional About Pas­cal’s Wager is Even Worse

Eliezer YudkowskyApr 18, 2013, 5:20 AM
62 points
162 comments9 min readLW link

Goals for which Less Wrong does (and doesn’t) help

AnnaSalamonNov 18, 2010, 10:37 PM
87 points
105 comments4 min readLW link

The Sin of Underconfidence

Eliezer YudkowskyApr 20, 2009, 6:30 AM
106 points
187 comments6 min readLW link

Defect­ing by Ac­ci­dent—A Flaw Com­mon to An­a­lyt­i­cal People

lionhearted (Sebastian Marshall)Dec 1, 2010, 8:25 AM
127 points
433 comments15 min readLW link

Too Smart for My Own Good

isovectorJan 22, 2019, 5:51 PM
38 points
4 comments3 min readLW link

Self-Con­grat­u­la­tory Rationalism

ChrisHallquistMar 1, 2014, 8:52 AM
75 points
395 comments10 min readLW link

Fire­wal­ling the Op­ti­mal from the Rational

Eliezer YudkowskyOct 8, 2012, 8:01 AM
175 points
313 comments5 min readLW link

Sto­icism: Cau­tion­ary Advice

VivaLaPandaNov 14, 2018, 11:18 PM
41 points
16 comments3 min readLW link

Truth: It’s Not That Great

ChrisHallquistMay 4, 2014, 10:07 PM
50 points
58 comments4 min readLW link

Take heed, for it is a trap

ZedAug 14, 2011, 10:23 AM
54 points
189 comments6 min readLW link

Se­duced by Imagination

Eliezer YudkowskyJan 16, 2009, 3:10 AM
43 points
20 comments2 min readLW link

De-Cen­ter­ing Bias

Chris_LeongOct 18, 2017, 11:24 PM
14 points
10 comments2 min readLW link
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