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Self-Deception

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Self-deception is a state of preserving a wrong belief, often facilitated by denying or rationalizing away the relevance, significance, or importance of opposing evidence and logical arguments. Beliefs supported by self-deception are often chosen for reasons other than how closely those beliefs approximate truth.

Related: Anticipated Experiences, Motivated Reasoning, Rationalization

On LessWrong, a common distinction is between beliefs as expectation-controllers and other things people commonly label as beliefs. When these different things conflict, a person is said to have engaged in self-deception.

Deceiving yourself is harder than it seems. What looks like a successively adopted false belief may actually be just a belief in false belief.

An example from No, Really, I’ve Deceived Myself:

When this woman was in high school, she thought she was an atheist. But she decided, at that time, that she should act as if she believed in God. And then—she told me earnestly—over time, she came to really believe in God.

So far as I can tell, she is completely wrong about that. Always throughout our conversation, she said, over and over, “I believe in God”, never once, “There is a God.” When I asked her why she was religious, she never once talked about the consequences of God existing, only about the consequences of believing in God. Never, “God will help me”, always, “my belief in God helps me”. When I put to her, “Someone who just wanted the truth and looked at our universe would not even invent God as a hypothesis,” she agreed outright.

She hasn’t actually deceived herself into believing that God exists or that the Jewish religion is true. Not even close, so far as I can tell.

On the other hand, I think she really does believe she has deceived herself.

Blog posts

Sequence by Eliezer Yudkowsky

Part of How To Actually Change Your Mind sequence

Other resources

See also

The hos­tile telepaths problem

ValentineOct 27, 2024, 3:26 PM
383 points
89 comments15 min readLW link

No, Really, I’ve De­ceived Myself

Eliezer YudkowskyMar 4, 2009, 11:29 PM
130 points
90 comments2 min readLW link

Forc­ing your­self to keep your iden­tity small is self-harm

Gordon Seidoh WorleyApr 3, 2021, 2:03 PM
40 points
10 comments2 min readLW link

Belief in Belief

Eliezer YudkowskyJul 29, 2007, 5:49 PM
218 points
177 comments5 min readLW link

Dou­ble­think (Choos­ing to be Bi­ased)

Eliezer YudkowskySep 14, 2007, 8:05 PM
101 points
169 comments4 min readLW link

The Loud­est Alarm Is Prob­a­bly False

orthonormalJan 2, 2018, 4:38 PM
183 points
28 comments2 min readLW link1 review

Ends Don’t Jus­tify Means (Among Hu­mans)

Eliezer YudkowskyOct 14, 2008, 9:00 PM
203 points
97 comments4 min readLW link

Trivers on Self-Deception

Scott AlexanderJul 12, 2011, 9:04 PM
66 points
27 comments4 min readLW link

Self-de­cep­tion: Hypocrisy or Akra­sia?

Eliezer YudkowskyMar 26, 2007, 5:03 PM
68 points
21 comments2 min readLW link

The Haters Gonna Hate Fallacy

Kaj_SotalaSep 22, 2020, 12:20 PM
47 points
6 comments1 min readLW link
(kajsotala.fi)

Ne­go­ti­at­ing With Yourself

orthonormalJun 26, 2020, 11:55 PM
28 points
0 comments5 min readLW link

[Question] How to deal with fear of failure?

TeaTieAndHatJul 15, 2023, 6:57 PM
1 point
2 comments1 min readLW link

The Third Alternative

Eliezer YudkowskyMay 6, 2007, 11:47 PM
162 points
86 comments3 min readLW link

Al­gorith­mic In­tent: A Han­so­nian Gen­er­al­ized Anti-Zom­bie Principle

Zack_M_DavisJul 14, 2020, 6:03 AM
50 points
20 comments12 min readLW link

Of Two Minds

ValentineMay 17, 2018, 4:34 AM
94 points
12 comments2 min readLW link

Strate­gic ig­no­rance and plau­si­ble deniability

Kaj_SotalaAug 10, 2011, 9:30 AM
62 points
59 comments4 min readLW link

Dragon Agnosticism

jefftkAug 1, 2024, 5:00 PM
92 points
75 comments2 min readLW link
(www.jefftk.com)

Things You’re Allowed to Do: Univer­sity Edition

Saul MunnFeb 6, 2024, 12:36 AM
95 points
13 comments5 min readLW link
(www.brasstacks.blog)

Un­wit­ting cult leaders

Kaj_SotalaFeb 11, 2021, 11:10 AM
119 points
9 comments3 min readLW link1 review
(kajsotala.fi)

[Question] What are things you’re al­lowed to do as a startup?

ElizabethJun 20, 2024, 12:01 AM
30 points
9 comments1 min readLW link

Ex­cerpts from Veyne’s “Did the Greeks Believe in Their Myths?”

Rob BensingerNov 8, 2021, 8:23 PM
24 points
1 comment16 min readLW link

How to Corner Liars: A Mi­asma-Clear­ing Protocol

ymeskhoutFeb 27, 2025, 5:18 PM
59 points
23 comments7 min readLW link
(www.ymeskhout.com)

Im­pos­tor Syn­drome as skill/​dom­i­nance mismatch

ViliamNov 5, 2020, 8:05 PM
94 points
12 comments2 min readLW link

Un­der­stand­ing and avoid­ing value drift

TurnTroutSep 9, 2022, 4:16 AM
48 points
14 comments6 min readLW link

In­side Views, Im­pos­tor Syn­drome, and the Great LARP

johnswentworthSep 25, 2023, 4:08 PM
333 points
53 comments5 min readLW link

A cyn­i­cal ex­pla­na­tion for why ra­tio­nal­ists worry about FAI

aaronswAug 4, 2012, 12:27 PM
28 points
172 comments1 min readLW link

[Question] Lost in the sauce

JungleTact1csMar 2, 2023, 4:58 PM
−5 points
12 comments1 min readLW link

Or­di­nary Peo­ple and Ex­traor­di­nary Evil: A Re­port on the Beguil­ings of Evil

David GrossSep 20, 2021, 3:19 PM
58 points
31 comments4 min readLW link

Self-skep­ti­cism: the first prin­ci­ple of rationality

aaronswAug 6, 2012, 12:51 AM
50 points
86 comments2 min readLW link

Notes on Fairness

David GrossDec 7, 2020, 6:52 PM
20 points
4 comments8 min readLW link

Don’t Fear Failure

atuckerApr 3, 2011, 10:52 PM
40 points
12 comments2 min readLW link

Eth­i­cal Injunctions

Eliezer YudkowskyOct 20, 2008, 11:00 PM
77 points
78 comments9 min readLW link

“Ra­tion­al­iz­ing” and “Sit­ting Bolt Upright in Alarm.”

RaemonJul 8, 2019, 8:34 PM
45 points
56 comments4 min readLW link

The Just World Hypothesis

michael_vassar2Oct 9, 2017, 6:03 AM
17 points
9 comments3 min readLW link

Don’t Believe You’ll Self-Deceive

Eliezer YudkowskyMar 9, 2009, 8:03 AM
43 points
72 comments2 min readLW link

Belief in Self-Deception

Eliezer YudkowskyMar 5, 2009, 3:20 PM
100 points
114 comments4 min readLW link

Book Re­view: The Elephant in the Brain

ZviDec 31, 2017, 5:30 PM
55 points
9 comments31 min readLW link
(thezvi.wordpress.com)

Do a cost-benefit anal­y­sis of your tech­nol­ogy usage

TurnTroutMar 27, 2022, 11:09 PM
198 points
53 comments13 min readLW link

Be more effec­tive by learn­ing im­por­tant prac­ti­cal knowl­edge us­ing flashcards

StenemoOct 12, 2022, 6:05 PM
5 points
2 comments1 min readLW link

Col­lege Ad­mis­sions as a Bru­tal One-Shot Game

devanshDec 5, 2022, 8:05 PM
8 points
26 comments2 min readLW link

“Endgame safety” for AGI

Steven ByrnesJan 24, 2023, 2:15 PM
85 points
10 comments6 min readLW link

Book Re­view: De­nial of Death

PatrickDFarleyOct 14, 2021, 4:28 AM
14 points
5 comments37 min readLW link

Tim Dillon’s fake busi­ness is the most in­fluen­tial video I have watched in the last 24 months

Stuart JohnsonJul 22, 2024, 12:54 PM
−4 points
0 comments1 min readLW link
(youtu.be)

An Un­mea­sured Song of Measurement

jan SijanSep 21, 2024, 3:08 PM
−3 points
0 comments4 min readLW link

On In­ten­tion­al­ity, or: Towards a More In­clu­sive Con­cept of Lying

Cornelius DybdahlOct 18, 2024, 10:37 AM
8 points
0 comments4 min readLW link

The Semi-Ra­tional Mili­tar Firefighter

P. JoãoMar 4, 2025, 12:23 PM
71 points
10 comments2 min readLW link

The pre­sent perfect tense is ru­in­ing your life

PatrickDFarleyJan 27, 2025, 4:14 PM
24 points
14 comments8 min readLW link

The Unifi­ca­tion of Physics and Me­ta­physics: 22 Ax­ioms for All Existences

Apr 30, 2023, 4:16 AM
−42 points
0 comments2 min readLW link

Shut Up And Guess

Scott AlexanderJul 21, 2009, 4:04 AM
125 points
110 comments5 min readLW link

Your Ra­tion­al­ity is My Business

Eliezer YudkowskyApr 15, 2007, 7:31 AM
157 points
28 comments3 min readLW link

The Im­por­tance of Say­ing “Oops”

Eliezer YudkowskyAug 5, 2007, 3:17 AM
267 points
35 comments2 min readLW link

A Dialogue On Doublethink

LoganStrohlMay 11, 2014, 7:38 PM
103 points
108 comments11 min readLW link

Singlethink

Eliezer YudkowskyOct 6, 2007, 7:24 PM
113 points
32 comments2 min readLW link

What I Tell You Three Times Is True

Scott AlexanderMay 2, 2009, 11:47 PM
60 points
32 comments4 min readLW link

Ab­solute de­nial for atheists

tawJul 16, 2009, 3:41 PM
52 points
606 comments1 min readLW link

Ra­tion­al­ity Is Not Sys­tem­atized Winning

namespaceNov 11, 2018, 10:05 PM
36 points
20 comments1 min readLW link
(www.thelastrationalist.com)

If we can’t lie to oth­ers, we will lie to ourselves

paulfchristianoNov 26, 2016, 10:29 PM
45 points
24 comments1 min readLW link
(sideways-view.com)

Belief in Belief vs. Internalization

DesrtopaNov 29, 2010, 3:12 AM
45 points
59 comments2 min readLW link

Ex­pert trap: Why is it hap­pen­ing? (Part 2 of 3) – how hind­sight, hi­er­ar­chy, and con­fir­ma­tion bi­ases break con­duc­tivity and ac­cu­racy of knowledge

Paweł SysiakJun 9, 2023, 11:00 PM
3 points
0 comments7 min readLW link

On self-deception

irrationalOct 5, 2011, 6:46 PM
42 points
83 comments6 min readLW link

Go­ing Crazy and Get­ting Bet­ter Again

EvenstarJul 2, 2023, 6:55 PM
139 points
13 comments7 min readLW link1 review

A Re­fu­ta­tion of (Global) “Hap­piness Max­i­miza­tion”

fareAug 25, 2020, 8:33 PM
−1 points
5 comments15 min readLW link

Ex­pert trap – Ways out (Part 3 of 3)

Paweł SysiakJul 22, 2023, 1:06 PM
4 points
0 comments9 min readLW link

Ra­tion­al­iza­tion Max­i­mizes Ex­pected Value

Kevin DorstJul 30, 2023, 8:11 PM
19 points
10 comments7 min readLW link
(kevindorst.substack.com)

How to reach 80% of your goals. Ex­actly 80%.

Bart BussmannOct 10, 2020, 5:33 PM
36 points
11 comments1 min readLW link

I be­lieve it’s doublethink

kerspoonFeb 21, 2012, 10:30 PM
32 points
32 comments3 min readLW link

“Self-pre­tend­ing” is not as use­ful as we think

pwnoApr 25, 2009, 11:01 PM
4 points
15 comments1 min readLW link

Epistemic vs. In­stru­men­tal Ra­tion­al­ity: Case of the Leaky Agent

Wei DaiMay 7, 2009, 11:09 PM
18 points
22 comments1 min readLW link

Lie to me?

pwnoJun 24, 2009, 9:56 PM
−1 points
32 comments1 min readLW link

“The Book Of Mor­mon” or Belief In Belief, The Musical

Raw_PowerFeb 14, 2012, 2:48 PM
14 points
34 comments4 min readLW link

Magic Shoes

onurMar 24, 2021, 9:14 PM
11 points
0 comments3 min readLW link

[Question] Liv­ing with a home­opath—how?

sudoLifeAug 21, 2021, 12:41 PM
5 points
36 comments1 min readLW link

Selfish AI Inevitable

Davey MorseFeb 6, 2024, 4:29 AM
1 point
0 comments1 min readLW link
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