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Dou­ble-Crux

TagLast edit: May 3, 2021, 4:58 AM by Filipe Marchesini

Double-Crux is a technique for addressing complex disagreements by systematically uncovering the cruxes upon which the disagreement hinges. A crux for an individual is any fact that if they believed differently about it, they would change their conclusion in the overall disagreement. A double-crux is a crux for both parties. Perhaps we disagree on whether swimming in a lake is safe. A crux for each of us is the presence of crocodiles in water: I believe there aren’t, you believe there are. Either of us would change our mind about the safety if we were persuaded about this crux.

Double-Crux differs from typical debates which are usually adversarial (your opinion vs mine), and instead attempt to be a collaborative attempt to uncover the true structure of the disagreement and what would change the disputants minds.

Related: Disagreement, Conversation

A version of the technique is described in Double Crux – A Strategy for Resolving Disagreement written by (then) CFAR instructor, Duncan_Sabien. The Center for Applied Rationality (CFAR) originated the technique. Eli Tyre, another CFAR instructor who has spent a lot of time developing the technique, more recently shared The Basic Double Crux pattern.

See Also

The Ba­sic Dou­ble Crux pattern

Eli TyreJul 22, 2020, 6:41 AM
68 points
21 comments4 min readLW link

Dou­ble Crux — A Strat­egy for Mu­tual Understanding

Duncan Sabien (Deactivated)Jan 2, 2017, 4:37 AM
193 points
108 comments12 min readLW link

Can we build a bet­ter Public Dou­ble­crux?

RaemonMay 11, 2024, 7:21 PM
52 points
6 comments4 min readLW link

An­nounc­ing the Dou­ble Crux Bot

Jan 9, 2024, 6:54 PM
53 points
10 comments3 min readLW link

Dou­ble Crux In A Box

ScrewtapeAug 26, 2022, 3:24 AM
35 points
6 comments6 min readLW link

Dou­ble Crux­ing the AI Foom debate

agilecavemanApr 27, 2018, 6:46 AM
17 points
3 comments11 min readLW link

Some cruxes on im­pact­ful al­ter­na­tives to AI policy work

Richard_NgoOct 10, 2018, 1:35 PM
165 points
13 comments12 min readLW link

Ba­sic Con­ver­sa­tional Co­or­di­na­tion: Micro-co­or­di­na­tion of In­ten­tion

Eli TyreJul 27, 2020, 10:41 PM
41 points
7 comments2 min readLW link

Dou­ble­crux is for Build­ing Products

RaemonJul 17, 2019, 6:50 AM
34 points
14 comments9 min readLW link

Mus­ings on Dou­ble Crux (and “Pro­duc­tive Disagree­ment”)

RaemonSep 28, 2017, 5:26 AM
19 points
72 comments6 min readLW link

Public Po­si­tions and Pri­vate Guts

VaniverOct 11, 2018, 7:38 PM
85 points
13 comments8 min readLW link

Con­tra dou­ble crux

ThrasymachusOct 8, 2017, 4:29 PM
35 points
67 comments8 min readLW link

[Question] I would like to try dou­ble crux.

valentinslepukhinOct 10, 2019, 9:34 PM
11 points
158 comments1 min readLW link

*Another* Dou­ble Crux Framework

RaemonMay 28, 2018, 11:30 PM
15 points
7 comments1 min readLW link

Don’t Dou­ble-Crux With Suicide Rock

Zack_M_DavisJan 1, 2020, 7:02 PM
91 points
30 comments2 min readLW link

A Con­crete Multi-Step Var­i­ant of Dou­ble Crux I Have Used Suc­cess­fully

sapphireMar 15, 2018, 1:26 AM
16 points
4 comments2 min readLW link

Dou­ble Crux

CFAR!DuncanJul 24, 2022, 6:34 AM
61 points
9 comments11 min readLW link

The True Re­jec­tion Challenge

AlicornJun 27, 2011, 7:18 AM
60 points
533 comments1 min readLW link

A tax­on­omy of Cruxes

Eli TyreMay 27, 2020, 5:25 PM
44 points
4 comments8 min readLW link

Dou­ble Crux Ex­am­ple: Should HPMOR be on the Front Page?

RaemonOct 9, 2017, 3:50 AM
19 points
12 comments18 min readLW link

Va­ri­eties Of Ar­gu­men­ta­tive Experience

Scott AlexanderMay 8, 2018, 8:20 AM
101 points
11 comments18 min readLW link2 reviews
(slatestarcodex.com)

Train­ing Regime Day 9: Dou­ble-Crux

Mark XuFeb 23, 2020, 6:08 PM
12 points
0 comments3 min readLW link

Find­ing Cruxes

Logan RiggsSep 20, 2019, 11:54 PM
18 points
25 comments5 min readLW link

True Sources of Disagreement

Eliezer YudkowskyDec 8, 2008, 3:51 PM
12 points
53 comments8 min readLW link

Death by a Sin­gle Cut

lsusrAug 29, 2021, 3:58 AM
9 points
8 comments2 min readLW link

More Chris­ti­ano, Co­tra, and Yud­kowsky on AI progress

Dec 6, 2021, 8:33 PM
91 points
28 comments40 min readLW link

AGI Ruin: A List of Lethalities

Eliezer YudkowskyJun 5, 2022, 10:05 PM
927 points
708 comments30 min readLW link3 reviews

Re­la­tion­ship be­tween sub­jec­tive ex­pe­rience and in­tel­li­gence?

Q HomeJul 24, 2022, 9:10 AM
5 points
4 comments9 min readLW link

Over­pop­u­la­tion FAQs

Zero ContradictionsAug 10, 2024, 4:21 AM
−12 points
7 comments1 min readLW link
(zerocontradictions.net)

The Village and the River Mon­sters… Or: Less Fight­ing, More Brainstorming

ExCephOct 3, 2022, 11:01 PM
7 points
29 comments8 min readLW link
(ginnungagapfoundation.wordpress.com)

Cruxes in Katja Grace’s Counterarguments

azsantoskOct 16, 2022, 8:44 AM
16 points
0 comments7 min readLW link

Keep Your Beliefs Cruxy

RaemonJul 28, 2019, 1:18 AM
54 points
34 comments3 min readLW link