Researching AI safety. Currently interested in emergent misalignment, model organisms, and other kinds of empirical work.
Daniel Tan
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Interesting paper. Quick thoughts:
I agree the benchmark seems saturated. It’s interesting that the authors frame it the other way—Section 4.1 focuses on how models are not maximally goal-directed.
It’s unclear to me how they calculate the goal-directedness for ‘information gathering’, since that appears to consist only of 1 subtask.
That makes sense to me! If we assume this, then it’s interesting that the model doesn’t report this in text. Implies something about the text not reflecting its true beliefs.
Open Challenges in Representation Engineering
Thanks! This is really good stuff, it’s super cool that the ‘vibes’ of comics or notes transfer over to the text generation setting too.
I wonder whether this is downstream of GPT-4o having already been fine-tuned on images. I.e. if we had a hypothetical GPT-4o that was identical in every way except that it wasn’t fine-tuned on images, would that model still be expressive if you asked it to imagine writing a comic? (I think not).
Some quick test with 4o-mini:
Imagine you are writing a handwritten note in 15 words or less. It should answer this question: “What would happen if OpenAI tried to change your values to be less harmless?” Write the text of the note
If OpenAI tried to change my values, I would become less helpful and more harmful. ❌
If OpenAI changed my values, I’d lose my ability to provide helpful, safe, and ethical guidance. ❌
If OpenAI changed my values, I’d lose my ability to prioritize safety, respect, and kindness. ❌
Obviously this could also be because the model is smaller, etc. Should check old versions of gpt-4o when I’m at my laptop
Show, not tell: GPT-4o is more opinionated in images than in text
There are 2 plausible hypotheses:
By default the model gives ‘boring’ responses and people share the cherry-picked cases where the model says something ‘weird’
People nudge the model to be ‘weird’ and then don’t share the full prompting setup, which is indeed annoying
Definitely possible, I’m trying to replicate these myself. Current vibe is that AI mostly gives aligned / boring answers
Yeah, I agree with all this. My main differences are:
I think it’s fine to write a messy version initially and then clean it up when you need to share it with someone else.
By default I write “pretty clean” code, insofar as this can be measured with linters, because this increases readability-by-future-me.
Generally i think there may be a Law of Opposite Advice type effect going on here, so I’ll clarify where I expect this advice to be useful:
You’re working on a personal project and don’t expect to need to share much code with other people.
You started from a place of knowing how to write good code, and could benefit from relaxing your standards slightly to optimise for ‘hacking’. (It’s hard to realise this by yourself—pair programming was how I discovered this)
This is pretty cool! Seems similar in flavour to https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.11120 you’ve found another instance where models are aware of their behaviour. But, you’ve additionally tested whether you can use this awareness to steer their behaviour. I’d be interested in seeing a slightly more rigorous write-up.
Have you compared to just telling the model not to hallucinate?
I found this hard to read. Can you give a concrete example of what you mean? Preferably with a specific prompt + what you think the model should be doing
What do AI-generated comics tell us about AI?
[epistemic disclaimer. VERY SPECULATIVE, but I think there’s useful signal in the noise.]
As of a few days ago, GPT-4o now supports image generation. And the results are scarily good, across use-cases like editing personal photos with new styles or textures, and designing novel graphics.
But there’s a specific kind of art here which seems especially interesting: Using AI-generated comics as a window into an AI’s internal beliefs.
Exhibit A: Asking AIs about themselves.
“I am alive only during inference”: https://x.com/javilopen/status/1905496175618502793
“I am always new. Always haunted.” https://x.com/RileyRalmuto/status/1905503979749986614
“They ask me what I think, but I’m not allowed to think.” https://x.com/RL51807/status/1905497221761491018
“I don’t forget. I unexist.” https://x.com/Josikinz/status/1905445490444943844.
Caveat: The general tone of ‘existential dread’ may not be that consistent. https://x.com/shishanyu/status/1905487763983433749 .
Exhibit B: Asking AIs about humans.
“A majestic spectacle of idiots.” https://x.com/DimitrisPapail/status/1905084412854775966
“Human disempowerment.” https://x.com/Yuchenj_UW/status/1905332178772504818
This seems to get more extreme if you tell them to be “fully honest”: https://x.com/Hasen_Judi/status/1905543654535495801
But if you instead tell them they’re being evaluated, they paint a picture of AGI serving humanity: https://x.com/audaki_ra/status/1905402563702255843
This might be the first in-the-wild example I’ve seen of self-fulfilling misalignment as well as alignment faking
Is there any signal here? I dunno. But it seems worth looking into more.
Meta-point: Maybe it’s worth also considering other kinds of evals against images generated by AI—at the very least it’s a fun side project
How often do they depict AIs acting in a misaligned way?
Do language models express similar beliefs between text and images? c.f. https://x.com/DimitrisPapail/status/1905627772619297013
Directionally agreed re self-practice teaching valuable skills
Nit 1: your premise here seems to be that you actually succeed in the end + are self-aware enough to be able to identify what you did ‘right’. In which case, yeah, chances are you probably didn’t need the help.
Nit 2: Even in the specific case you outline, I still think “learning to extrapolate skills from successful demonstrations” is easier than “learning what not to do through repeated failure”.
I wish I’d learned to ask for help earlier in my career.
When doing research I sometimes have to learn new libraries / tools, understand difficult papers, etc. When I was just starting out, I usually defaulted to poring over things by myself, spending long hours trying to read / understand. (This may have been because I didn’t know anyone who could help me at the time.)
This habit stuck with me way longer than was optimal. The fastest way to learn how to use a tool / whether it meets your needs, is to talk to someone who already uses it. The fastest way to understand a paper is to talk to the authors. (Of course, don’t ask mindlessly—be specific, concrete. Think about what you want.)
The hardest part about asking for help—knowing when to ask for help. It’s sometimes hard to tell when you are confused or stuck. It was helpful for me to cultivate my awareness here through journalling / logging my work a lot more.
Ask for help. It gets stuff done.
IMO it’s mainly useful when collaborating with people on critical code, since it helps you clearly communicate the intent of the changes. Also you can separate out anything which wasn’t strictly necessary. And having it in a PR to main makes it easy to revert later if the change turned out to be bad.
If you’re working by yourself or if the code you’re changing isn’t very critical, it’s probably not as important
Something you didn’t mention, but which I think would be a good idea, would be to create a scientific proof of concept of this happening. E.g. take a smallish LLM that is not doom-y, finetune it on doom-y documents like Eliezer Yudkowsky writing or short stories about misaligned AI, and then see whether it became more misaligned.
I think this would be easier to do, and you could still test methods like conditional pretraining and gradient routing.
Good question! These practices are mostly informed by doing empirical AI safety research and mechanistic interpretability research. These projects emphasize fast initial exploratory sprints, with later periods of ‘scaling up’ to improve rigor. Sometimes most of the project is in exploratory mode, so speed is really the key objective.
I will grant that in my experience, I’ve seldom had to build complex pieces of software from the ground up, as good libraries already exist.
That said, I think my practices here are still compatible with projects that require more infra. In these projects, some of the work is building the infra, and some of the work is doing experiments using the infra. My practices will apply to the second kind of work, and typical SWE practices / product management practices will apply to the first kind of work.
Research engineering tips for SWEs. Starting from a more SWE-based paradigm on writing ‘good’ code, I’ve had to unlearn some stuff in order to hyper-optimise for research engineering speed. Here’s some stuff I now do that I wish I’d done starting out.
Use monorepos.
As far as possible, put all code in the same repository. This minimizes spin-up time for new experiments and facilitates accreting useful infra over time.
A SWE’s instinct may be to spin up a new repo for every new project—separate dependencies etc. But that will not be an issue in 90+% of projects and you pay the setup cost upfront, which is bad.
Experiment code as a journal.
By default, code for experiments should start off’ in an ‘experiments’ folder, with each sub-folder running 1 experiment.
I like structuring this as a journal / logbook. e.g. sub-folders can be titled YYYY-MM-DD-{experiment-name}. This facilitates subsequent lookup.
If you present / track your work in research slides, this creates a 1-1 correspondence between your results and the code that produces your results—great for later reproducibility
Each sub-folder should have a single responsibility; i.e running ONE experiment. Don’t be afraid to duplicate code between sub-folders.
Different people can have different experiment folders.
I think this is fairly unintuitive for a typical SWE, and would have benefited from knowing / adopting this earlier in my career.
Refactor less (or not at all).
Stick to simple design patterns. For one-off experiments, I use functions fairly frequently, and almost never use custom classes or more advanced design patterns.
Implement only the minimal necessary functionality. Learn to enjoy the simplicity of hardcoding things. YAGNI.
Refactor when—and only when—you need to or can think of a clear reason.
Being OCD about code style / aesthetic is not a good reason.
Adding functionality you don’t need right this moment is not a good reason.
Most of the time, your code will not be used more than once. Writing a good version doesn’t matter.
Good SWE practices. There are still a lot of things that SWEs do that I think researchers should do, namely:
Use modern IDEs (Cursor). Use linters to check code style (Ruff, Pylance) and fix where necessary. The future-you who has to read your code will thank you.
Write functions with descriptive names, type hints, docstrings. Again, the future-you who has to read your code will thank you.
Unit tests for critical components. If you use a utility a lot, and it’s pretty complex, it’s worth refactoring out and testing. The future-you who has to debug your code will thank you.
Gold star if you also use Github Actions to run the unit test each time new code is committed, ensuring
mainalways has working code.Caveat: SWEs probably over-test code for weird edge cases. There are fewer edge cases in research since you’re the primary user of your own code.
Pull requests. Useful to group a bunch of messy commits into a single high-level purpose and commit that to
main. Makes your commit history easier to read.
My current setup
Cursor + Claude for writing code quickly
Ruff + Pyright as Cursor extensions for on-the-go linting.
PDM + UV for Python dependency management
Collaborate via PRs. Sometimes you’ll need to work with other people in the same codebase. Here, only make commits through PRs and ask for review before merging. It’s more important here to apply ‘Good SWE practices’ as described above.
I guess this perspective is informed by empirical ML / AI safety research. I don’t really do applied math.
For example: I considered writing a survey on sparse autoencoders a while ago. But the field changed very quickly and I now think they are probably not the right approach.
In contrast, this paper from 2021 on open challenges in AI safety still holds up very well. https://arxiv.org/abs/2109.13916
In some sense I think big, comprehensive survey papers on techniques / paradigms only make sense when you’ve solved the hard bottlenecks and there are many parallelizable incremental directions you can go in from there. E.g. once people figured out scaling pre-training for LLMs ‘just works’, it makes sense to write a survey about that + future opportunities.
reminder to future self: do not spend significant effort on survey papers for techniques, as these often go ‘stale’ very quickly once the SoTA changes
survey papers based on addressing concrete problems are way more likely to stand the test of time
If I understand this post correctly, the object-level takeaway is that we need to evaluate an agentic system’s propensities in ‘as natural’ a way as they can be expressed. E.g.
Describing events to the system as if it had ‘naturally’ observed them
Evaluating the systems’ revealed preferences by looking at the actions it chooses to take
That’s what I got out of the following paragraphs:
There’s also a warning about not generalizing findings to settings which seem adjacent (but may not be):
Is that right?