Most of the child comments have 5-7 votes and near-zero net karma hearts. This suggests that non-participants are coordinating to keep the totals near zero. I’d love to participate, but I don’t expect it to be worthwhile.
Maybe users who police bad comments/articles (like that one) should be rewarded for downvoting them by earning the $1 saved, thus maintaining financial equilibrium
I think we are now properly defeated. The fundamental problem is that there’s only two of us mutually benefitting, so any group with more Karma than one of us can shut down the party.
While I would prefer for the forces of Social Coordination to win here, I would prefer they win against a real fight. Giving up so easily? Did you think for even five minutes? Shut up and do the impossible!!
I’ll note that the leaderboard doesn’t seem to notice the downvotes and so is still showing you and aphyer in the lead. This is likely a bug but at least you’re getting to have the goodest of hearts for a while for your effort. :-)
Oh, it definitely noticed the downvotes. We got about 100 karma each out of this thread, and then we lost it all and then some once people came along and started downvoting. We were both off the leaderboard entirely for a while after that.
While I would prefer for the forces of Social Coordination to win here, I would prefer they win against a real fight. Giving up so easily? Did you think for even five minutes? Shut up and do the impossible!!
My guess would be that they are upvoting some kind of post/comment which only shows up for those it is shared with. Some sites do allow these, though I’m not sure how to do this on lesswrong. I’ve already strong downvoted all of their public comments containing no value, so I guess they’ve won this time :(
EDIT: Looking around the UI I see that you can share drafts with people, maybe they’re upvoting each other’s drafts? (If that’s even possible)
Unfortunately, I don’t have the capacity to deal with this problem right now however serious, because I have much more pressing issues in the form of r/place.
Oh yeah, I started getting downvotes and now I see I’ve fallen quite a bit. I just noticed you two rose up quite high and I wondered what happened there!
(I feel like, as the founding member of the Dark Conspiracy and the one whose parent comment is exposed to social enforcement, I should be getting more of my comments upvoted)
It’s done. They’re all strong upvoted. I keep hearing this voice, though:
“Any who disrespect the omniscient idols by misusing their knowledge for sordid financial gain will, after their death, be sent to the bottom-most layer of Hell, where venomous worms will gnaw at their organs from the inside forever, never to know rest or surcease from pain.”
—Scott Alexander, Idol Words
Acknowledged, reciprocated. If anyone else wants to join our Exploitative Karma Circle, let us know!
And I kinda hope whoever decided to do this for April Fool’s Day has a plan for reverting karma changes at the end of the day, otherwise this may cause some longer-term screwups.
Yeah; my participation in this scheme was predicated on “Lightcone is occupied by smart people who 100% knew that this would be a result of today’s April Fool’s Day; therefore, playing along with the game is okay. Also, they can afford whatever comes as a consequence of today’s thing, provided nobody actually writes a bot (something I very briefly considered before deciding it’d be too much).”
Also, I guess it’s worth enabling karma change notifications for today only. Trust, but verify.
Edit: looking at all the karma change as a result of this already, I really hope they plan to revert it.
If anyone is up for a reciprocal trade, where I upvote all your posts in exchange for you upvoting all of mine, please let me know below!
Most of the child comments have 5-7 votes and near-zero net
karmahearts. This suggests that non-participants are coordinating to keep the totals near zero. I’d love to participate, but I don’t expect it to be worthwhile.Maybe users who police bad comments/articles (like that one) should be rewarded for downvoting them by earning the $1 saved, thus maintaining financial equilibrium
Strong-downvoted, earned $6 by doing so.
(I did not actually do this)
Then who decides whether the comment is actually bad?
I think we are now properly defeated. The fundamental problem is that there’s only two of us mutually benefitting, so any group with more Karma than one of us can shut down the party.
While I would prefer for the forces of Social Coordination to win here, I would prefer they win against a real fight. Giving up so easily? Did you think for even five minutes? Shut up and do the impossible!!
I’ll note that the leaderboard doesn’t seem to notice the downvotes and so is still showing you and aphyer in the lead. This is likely a bug but at least you’re getting to have the goodest of hearts for a while for your effort. :-)
Oh, it definitely noticed the downvotes. We got about 100 karma each out of this thread, and then we lost it all and then some once people came along and started downvoting. We were both off the leaderboard entirely for a while after that.
But what’s happening now?!? How is Aphyer suddenly at over $500 when most of their comments are now negative, and the positive ones not very high?
How?????
My guess would be that they are upvoting some kind of post/comment which only shows up for those it is shared with. Some sites do allow these, though I’m not sure how to do this on lesswrong. I’ve already strong downvoted all of their public comments containing no value, so I guess they’ve won this time :(
EDIT: Looking around the UI I see that you can share drafts with people, maybe they’re upvoting each other’s drafts? (If that’s even possible)
Don’t give up yet!!!
We can probably get the LW team to stop counting whatever they’re pulling.
We can recruit more people to try and balance things out.
EDIT: It appears something is happening… the leaderboards are shifting again...
Unfortunately, I don’t have the capacity to deal with this problem right now however serious, because I have much more pressing issues in the form of r/place.
Oh yeah, I started getting downvotes and now I see I’ve fallen quite a bit. I just noticed you two rose up quite high and I wondered what happened there!
We turned to the Light Side and gained a ton of karma by writing high-quality posts and comments, which were legitimately upvoted.
If so, then where are they???
I’ve been looking...
Additional additional comments
Additional additional addition, which is additive.
Multiplicative comments?
I suppose if one were to put two comments in response to each comment… but that would become rate-limited very quickly...
Would it really?
Would it really?
Upvoting posts will not work unless they’re new today, need to create new comments
I did not know that, thank you! I think this Legitimately Very Good Comment is one that Legitimately Deserves a strong upvote!
Indeed, an excellent point!
As does this one!
Yeah, that synergizes really well with your previous point.
Indeed! This is a high value conversation providing lots of positive sum value to all readers!
So many comments, must parallelize
Continuing to comment!
An excellent point good sir.
You likewise, my good fellow!
(I feel like, as the founding member of the Dark Conspiracy and the one whose parent comment is exposed to social enforcement, I should be getting more of my comments upvoted)
Eh, we’ll hit the cap pretty fast regardless.
Wait, what cap?
Oh no! Our Dark Conspiracy is being foiled!
We must find some way to escape these limits...
Perhaps by building some kind of artificial intelligence capable of faster than human clicking?
That would probably get you banned on perfectly normal LW moderation type grounds?
Sssssh! Don’t tell them!
Comment all of the things!
Yet more comments!
More comments!
Comments! There is a 5 second delay enforced between comments! I never knew that before!
Yes comments yay!
And more! Now that the parent is down voted no one will see them except us Conspirators! Hahahahaha!
Recent Discussion doesn’t hide children of hidden comments. I’m not sure whether this is a bug or a feature.
Oh no! They’re onto us! Comment faster!!
That’s a great comment!
Sure. I’ll strong upvote the first 20 or so on your page.
From the post:
Upvoting comments/posts that were made before today doesn’t get you any tokens.
Oh. Oops.
Just delete all old content and repost it again.
It’s done. They’re all strong upvoted. I keep hearing this voice, though:
Acknowledged, reciprocated. If anyone else wants to join our Exploitative Karma Circle, let us know!
And I kinda hope whoever decided to do this for April Fool’s Day has a plan for reverting karma changes at the end of the day, otherwise this may cause some longer-term screwups.
Yeah; my participation in this scheme was predicated on “Lightcone is occupied by smart people who 100% knew that this would be a result of today’s April Fool’s Day; therefore, playing along with the game is okay. Also, they can afford whatever comes as a consequence of today’s thing, provided nobody actually writes a bot (something I very briefly considered before deciding it’d be too much).”
Also, I guess it’s worth enabling karma change notifications for today only. Trust, but verify. Edit: looking at all the karma change as a result of this already, I really hope they plan to revert it.