You should know better what you need, what’s good for you, than a random number generator. And you should work on your field of study being better than a procedure for crafting another random option for such a random choice. I wonder how long it’ll take to stumble on success if you use a hypothetical “buy a random popular book” order option on Amazon.
P.S. See this disclaimer, on second thought I connotationally disagree with this comment.
Guilty. It doesn’t particularly apply in this case, since the argument is that randomness is the best available option for now, because intelligence doesn’t work yet for this case. I’m overidentifying with the general negative move I’ve made on pjeby, and as a result I’ve indulged myself in a couple of wrong responses, in a comment above and to an extent in a preceding one, although both also hold a fair amount of truth, but express it with dishonest connotation.
This comment was based on an argument with a person who explicitly insisted that tossing a coin is better than deciding for yourself.
This comment was based on an argument with a person who explicitly insisted that tossing a coin is better than deciding for yourself.
Kindly point to the specific words which you think meant that, so that I can see whether I need to be more clear, or whether you just rounded to a cliche.
Edit to add: Whoops, I just did the same thing to you. I see now that your comment was saying that you were rounding to a cached argument from a discussion with somebody else about tossing coins, not implying that that was what I said. Sorry for the confusion.
It doesn’t particularly apply in this case, since the argument is that randomness is the best available option for now, because intelligence doesn’t work yet for this case.
But pjeby isn’t even saying that – even reading completely random books, which AFAICT he doesn’t advocate, invokes a powerful optimization process (writers and publishers).
You always do the random thing relative to the options you are given. That doesn’t change the problem, as far as I can see, just applies it to a different situation
You can’t literally make only random actions. You can’t make random muscle movements. You may use random long-term goals, which can be analogized with being a fanatic, or middle-term goals, analogy with a crazy person, or random short-term goals, analogous to being clinically mad. In any case, whatever I could mean by random action, it’s necessarily already quite abstract, selected from few intelligent options.
You sound like someone arguing that evolution shouldn’t be able to work because it’s all “blind chance”. Learning, like evolution, is “unblind chance”: what interests me is a combination of what I encounter plus what I already know.
The more I learn, the more I learn about what is and isn’t useful, and I’ve found it useful to drop (or at least reduce the priority of) certain filters that I previously had, while tightening up other filters. That’s not really “random”, in the same way that natural selection is not “random”.
That still isn’t the same as self-experimenting with every procedure that was ever thought up and supported by a visible enough school. As an intelligent being, you should be able to do better than randomness, and well better than evolution. That’s the power of intelligence.
That still isn’t the same as self-experimenting with every procedure that was ever thought up and supported by a visible enough school.
Still strawman? pjeby said:
My personal sorting tool of choice is looking for specificity of language: techniques that are described in as much sensory-oriented, “near” language as possible, with a minimum of abstraction. I also don’t bother evaluating things that don’t make claims that would offer an improvement over anything else I’ve tried, and I have a preference for reading authors who’ve offered insightful models and useful techniques in the past.
Viva randomness! At least it’s better than stupidity. And is about as effective as reversed stupidity. Which is not intelligence.
You should know better what you need, what’s good for you, than a random number generator. And you should work on your field of study being better than a procedure for crafting another random option for such a random choice. I wonder how long it’ll take to stumble on success if you use a hypothetical “buy a random popular book” order option on Amazon.
P.S. See this disclaimer, on second thought I connotationally disagree with this comment.
Strawman?
Guilty. It doesn’t particularly apply in this case, since the argument is that randomness is the best available option for now, because intelligence doesn’t work yet for this case. I’m overidentifying with the general negative move I’ve made on pjeby, and as a result I’ve indulged myself in a couple of wrong responses, in a comment above and to an extent in a preceding one, although both also hold a fair amount of truth, but express it with dishonest connotation.
This comment was based on an argument with a person who explicitly insisted that tossing a coin is better than deciding for yourself.
Kindly point to the specific words which you think meant that, so that I can see whether I need to be more clear, or whether you just rounded to a cliche.
Edit to add: Whoops, I just did the same thing to you. I see now that your comment was saying that you were rounding to a cached argument from a discussion with somebody else about tossing coins, not implying that that was what I said. Sorry for the confusion.
But pjeby isn’t even saying that – even reading completely random books, which AFAICT he doesn’t advocate, invokes a powerful optimization process (writers and publishers).
You always do the random thing relative to the options you are given. That doesn’t change the problem, as far as I can see, just applies it to a different situation
Point taken; still, different from my very literal interpretation of letting a random number generator decide what you need.
You can’t literally make only random actions. You can’t make random muscle movements. You may use random long-term goals, which can be analogized with being a fanatic, or middle-term goals, analogy with a crazy person, or random short-term goals, analogous to being clinically mad. In any case, whatever I could mean by random action, it’s necessarily already quite abstract, selected from few intelligent options.
You sound like someone arguing that evolution shouldn’t be able to work because it’s all “blind chance”. Learning, like evolution, is “unblind chance”: what interests me is a combination of what I encounter plus what I already know.
The more I learn, the more I learn about what is and isn’t useful, and I’ve found it useful to drop (or at least reduce the priority of) certain filters that I previously had, while tightening up other filters. That’s not really “random”, in the same way that natural selection is not “random”.
That still isn’t the same as self-experimenting with every procedure that was ever thought up and supported by a visible enough school. As an intelligent being, you should be able to do better than randomness, and well better than evolution. That’s the power of intelligence.
Still strawman? pjeby said:
See? I don’t even remember reading it.