“Almost everyone found politics to be tribal and viscerally upsetting.”
This is gold.
Will_Newsome
Karma: 6,433
Good sociology yo, good sardonicism without sneering, best article I’ve seen about this subculture yet.
Anyone from Orange County attending? If so, could I get a ride?
If there is evidence for X in MOR and/or canon then it’s fine to post about X without rot13, even if you also have heard privately from Eliezer that X is true. But you should not post that “Eliezer said X is true” unless you use rot13.
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This is also such a delicious example of the Streisand effect...
Yes, Eliezer’s Streisanding is almost suspiciously delicious. One begins to wonder if he is in thrall to… well, perhaps it is best not to speculate here, lest we feed the Adversary.
Dat irony tho.
Is there anything we should do?
Stylistic complaint: “we”? I don’t think me reading your post means you and I are a “we”. This is a public-facing website, your audience isn’t your club.
As to the actual question, CellBioGuy’s answer is spot-on.
Out of my last hundred or so comments only one currently sits at a karma score below zero (it’s at −1 and I retracted it). Considering how many of my comments are (sometimes harshly) critical of LessWrong I think it is quite clear that LW is capable of accepting and reinforcing reasonable criticism.
Actually, I had to give up 5 karma to comment on this thread because Eliezer’s comment has incurred the so-called troll toll. Hell, I’ll upvote Eliezer just so your comment isn’t needlessly hidden.
Sigh. As you wish.
Is this some wierd signalling thing, where the appearance that something is really something else is more important than the actuality of it?
I think so, yeah. I don’t know whether it’s reasonable or not but that’s what it is. I might be wrong.
Okay, I’m probably never going to actually get very far into my fanfic, so:
The story starts as stereotypical postmodern fare, but it is soon revealed that behind the seemingly postmodern metaphysic there is a Berkeleyan-Leibnizian simulationist metaphysic where programs are only indirectly interacting with other programs despite seeming to share a world, a la Leibniz’ monadology. Conflicts then occur between character programs with different levels of measure in different simulations of the author’s mind, where the author (me) is basically just a medium for the simulators that are two worlds of emulation up from the narrative programs.
Meanwhile the Order of the Phoenix (led by Dumbledore, a fairly strong rationalist rumored to be an instantiation of the monad known as ‘[redacted]’) has adopted and adapted an old idea of Grindelwald’s and is constructing a grand Artifact to invoke the universal prior so that an objective measure over programs can be found, thus ending the increasingly destructive feuds. Different characters help or hinder this endeavor, or seem to help or hinder it, according to whether they think they will be found to be more or less plausible by the Artifact. The conspiracies and infighting are further intensified; Dumbledore has his typical “oh God what have I done” moment.
At some point Voldemort (a very strong postrationalist rumored to be an instantiation of the mysterious monadic complex known as ‘muflax’) has the idea of messing with the Artifact so as to set up self-fulfilling prophecies within its machinations, and then Harry (a very shameless Will Newsome self-insert, rumored to be in thrall to one of Voldemort’s monads) introduces the bright and/or incredibly bad idea of acausally controlling bits of the universal prior itself.
The plot becomes exceedingly complex and difficult to simulate. Gods take notice and launch a crusade to restore monadic equilibrium, but some of the older and more jaded gods have taken a liking to the characters and are considering lending them aid. YHWH is unreachable. The whole mathematical multiverse is on the line, and the gods’ crusade may already be too late...
Because if it is possible for an administrator to reset a password, then it is possible for an administrator to log on to a particular account.
Yes, it’s technically possible, but actually doing it would be a rather severe breach of privacy...
Is it not possible for an administrator to log on as a particular user?
That would be insane.
I suspect Nesov in particular would put forth and uphold relatively fair-minded, non-ideological, and straightforward rules for deletion, and so Phyg points would be held to an acceptable level. But Nesov is somewhat singular in that regard. If Eliezer or other similarly ideological moderators tried to ride Nesov’s coattails then Phyg points would naturally shoot through the roof.
I vote Nesov for LessWrong Dictator.
I think that as an alternative to permitting deletion of posts, it would be better to give an x10 downvote hammer (in addition to the normal one; and perhaps only for posts) to all users with Karma 10000
I currently have 8,448 karma. I could reach 10,000 in a few weeks if I so desired. I don’t imagine many here would want me to have a downvote hammer. Still, this general category of solutions is good.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were many who, like me, agreed with decisions like this and weren’t speaking up. If so, I urge you to briefly comment
This is the most pointless exercise I have ever seen suggested.
Sweet! Wish I’d read that earlier, now I feel like to some extent I’m just retreading known ground. Although I do intend to go in a somewhat different direction. Not sure yet when and where to put the plot twists though.
Right, this was the intended meaning. Being a character in a book is one thing, but talking to another character who suggests that you’re the titular protagonist of a supposedly well-known book is another. I was also trying to suggest that the owl is in some sense from a different world. But I guess that was all unclear and I need to rewrite it.
I’m sorry. Although a lot of what you’ve said is pointlessly mean you did give a bit of useful feedback and my response should have just focused on that.
You’re right, I shouldn’t have been mean. My issue is that unlike others whose criticism I really do value Tenoke has mostly just been bashing shit. But still he did point out that my past few sentences are legitimately unclear and so I shouldn’t have responded how I did. Your downvote is fair. Mea culpa.
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