The comment enrages me too, but the reasons you have given seem like post-justification. The real reason why it’s enraging is that it rudely and dramatically implies that Eliezer’s time is much more valuable than the OP’s, and that it’s up to OP to summarize them for him. If he actually wanted to ask OP what the strongest point was he should have just DMed him instead of engineering this public spectacle.
I want people to not discuss things in DMs, and discuss things publicly more. I also don’t think this is embarrassing for Quintin, or at all a public spectacle.
The real reason why it’s enraging is that it rudely and dramatically implies that Eliezer’s time is much more valuable than the OP’s
It does imply that, but it’s likely true that Eliezer’s time is more valuable (or at least in more demand) than OP’s. I also don’t think Eliezer (or anyone else) should have to spend all that much effort worrying about if what they’re about to say might possibly come off as impolite or uncordial.
If he actually wanted to ask OP what the strongest point was he should have just DMed him instead of engineering this public spectacle.
I don’t agree here. Commenting publicly opens the floor up for anyone to summarize the post or to submit what they think is the strongest point. I think it’s actually less pressure on Quintin this way.
I think that both of you are correct: Eliezer should have DMed Quintin Pope instead, and Eliezer hasn’t noticed that actual arguments were given, and that it sounds like an excuse to ignore disconfirming evidence.
This crystallizes a thought I had about Eliezer: Eliezer has increasingly terrible epistemics on AI doom, and a person should ignore Eliezer’s arguments, since they won’t ever update towards optimism, even if it’s warranted, and has real issues engaging people he doesn’t share his views and don’t give bad arguments.
The comment enrages me too, but the reasons you have given seem like post-justification. The real reason why it’s enraging is that it rudely and dramatically implies that Eliezer’s time is much more valuable than the OP’s, and that it’s up to OP to summarize them for him. If he actually wanted to ask OP what the strongest point was he should have just DMed him instead of engineering this public spectacle.
I want people to not discuss things in DMs, and discuss things publicly more. I also don’t think this is embarrassing for Quintin, or at all a public spectacle.
It does imply that, but it’s likely true that Eliezer’s time is more valuable (or at least in more demand) than OP’s. I also don’t think Eliezer (or anyone else) should have to spend all that much effort worrying about if what they’re about to say might possibly come off as impolite or uncordial.
I don’t agree here. Commenting publicly opens the floor up for anyone to summarize the post or to submit what they think is the strongest point. I think it’s actually less pressure on Quintin this way.
I think that both of you are correct: Eliezer should have DMed Quintin Pope instead, and Eliezer hasn’t noticed that actual arguments were given, and that it sounds like an excuse to ignore disconfirming evidence.
This crystallizes a thought I had about Eliezer: Eliezer has increasingly terrible epistemics on AI doom, and a person should ignore Eliezer’s arguments, since they won’t ever update towards optimism, even if it’s warranted, and has real issues engaging people he doesn’t share his views and don’t give bad arguments.