Johnny Depp can wear a puffy shirt because he is the king. The rest of us...
Special Pleading Objection?
If you are awesome enough, you can wear a rationalist slogan t-shirt...
Or if you are attending a Hacker News meetup, or a software development conference, or an event taking place at a university, or… I’ll stop there: I am predicting (and happily committing to update if I turn out to be wrong) that in these venues, wearing a witty t-shirt will a) score points and b) optimise for striking up conversations with strangers.
Or if you are attending a Hacker News meetup, or a software development conference, or an event taking place at a university, or...
i.e., places where people already have some kind of idea who you are. (If you are Johnny Depp, everywhere is a place where people already have some kind of idea who you are, but if you aren’t...)
That is borne out by my experience, and seems like it more closely matches my social life. It also seems like a better predictor for what sorts of text I find myself noticing on shirts (“noticing” intentionally worded so as to include observational biases).
Sorry, I don’t understand what you mean by this. The meaning of my post was that high status folk set the trends, and have an easier time introducing new fashions to the society at large. This was in relation to your (valid) point that “how and when” you wear clothes matters.
Or if you are attending a Hacker News meetup, or a software development conference, or an event taking place at a university, or… I’ll stop there: I am predicting (and happily committing to update if I turn out to be wrong) that in these venues, wearing a witty t-shirt will a) score points and b) optimise for striking up conversations with strangers.
Sounds sensible. Dressing in clothes that signal your geekiness (meaning here the demographic you describe) is probably a safe bet in such a crowd.
Pointing out that your argument appears to be a form of special pleading—you introduced a general rule (“wearing puffy shirts is bad”), I pointed out counterexamples (Depp, also women), you picked one of these and said “but he is special”.
I see. Through counterexamples we can demonstrate anything to be acceptable fashion in certain scenarios.
The puffy shirt is irrelevant (I feel like arguing but let me try and resist that). I found your counterexamples about t-shirts to be stronger evidence, and I did adjust my beliefs. I can offer you no good evidence on how people on average perceive t-shirts with slogans on them.
Special Pleading Objection?
Or if you are attending a Hacker News meetup, or a software development conference, or an event taking place at a university, or… I’ll stop there: I am predicting (and happily committing to update if I turn out to be wrong) that in these venues, wearing a witty t-shirt will a) score points and b) optimise for striking up conversations with strangers.
But Johnny Depp is special: he’s Johnny Depp. He’s an elite. And breaking (fashion) rules may be part of why he continues to be perceived as an elite (I’m thinking particularly of Kleef et al 2011 in http://lesswrong.com/lw/dtg/notes_on_the_psychology_of_power/ ).
i.e., places where people already have some kind of idea who you are. (If you are Johnny Depp, everywhere is a place where people already have some kind of idea who you are, but if you aren’t...)
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That is borne out by my experience, and seems like it more closely matches my social life. It also seems like a better predictor for what sorts of text I find myself noticing on shirts (“noticing” intentionally worded so as to include observational biases).
Sorry, I don’t understand what you mean by this. The meaning of my post was that high status folk set the trends, and have an easier time introducing new fashions to the society at large. This was in relation to your (valid) point that “how and when” you wear clothes matters.
Sounds sensible. Dressing in clothes that signal your geekiness (meaning here the demographic you describe) is probably a safe bet in such a crowd.
Pointing out that your argument appears to be a form of special pleading—you introduced a general rule (“wearing puffy shirts is bad”), I pointed out counterexamples (Depp, also women), you picked one of these and said “but he is special”.
I see. Through counterexamples we can demonstrate anything to be acceptable fashion in certain scenarios.
The puffy shirt is irrelevant (I feel like arguing but let me try and resist that). I found your counterexamples about t-shirts to be stronger evidence, and I did adjust my beliefs. I can offer you no good evidence on how people on average perceive t-shirts with slogans on them.