Personally, I find polyamory simpler, mainly because it avoids the biggest problem in monoamory: is this person “good enough” for me to spend all my time in a relationship with them, or should I hold out and wait for someone better? The prospect of trying to make a decision like that makes me tired just thinking about it. :)
I agree: the simplicity or complexity of monogamy vs. polyamory depends on the intuitions and values of the people involved, and the dimension on which we are measure simplicity and complexity. If a relationship structure creates tension, drama, or conflict between or within the people involved, then it becomes emotionally complex.
A monogamous relationship is like a polyamorous relationship, except it has an additional constraint: you can’t see other people (well, actually it’s a set of more complex constraints, such as when talking to other people or flirting with other people is acceptable). In a polyamorous relationship, both partners are under less constraints, which potentially makes things simpler.
Even though poly relationships may be subject to less constraints with each individual partner, having multiple partners introduces more complexity.
Perhaps the simplest sort of relationship is a relationship that is polyamorous in principle, but where neither partner is actually seeing another person in practice.
Perhaps the simplest sort of relationship is a relationship that is polyamorous in principle, but where neither partner is actually seeing another person in practice.
I love those relationships. Where you are not seeing other people because you just don’t want to.
I don’t think it does avoid this problem. It’s nice to know that if someone cute propositions you, you’ll be able to say yes, but If you’re always wondering if you could do better, you’ll put yourself on a hedonic treadmill that will never make you happy. Sometimes you have to say “this is the person, or these are the people, I love; I’m no longer looking for more”.
It’s not so much always wondering if I could do better, as it is having a long list of things I’d like to have in a partner (having an interest in Singularity stuff, having certain hobbies, having certain kinks, and so on and so on). Empirical results so far suggest that a really good match can fulfill maybe 85% of the things on the list, but nobody can fulfill every point, especially since some of the things are mutually exclusive. I’d like to have somewhat with a sciency sort of background for the shared way of thinking about things, and someone with background in the humanities for a way of thinking about things that’s different from mine. (One could have both backgrounds, of course, but such people are rather rare.) I like kids but wouldn’t want to live with them, so I’d like a partner with kids who doesn’t live with me, and for all the usual reasons I’d also like to have a partner who does live with me. There are probably also some other mutual exclusions I’m not consciously aware of.
If I were monogamous, I’d have to settle on a single person and then spend time wondering whether this particular combination of things I want is the one making me the most happy. With poly, I can just look for a combination of people who together satisfy everything on the list. Not that I wouldn’t be happy even in a situation where only 85% (say) of the things were fulfilled, but fulfilling more would make me even more happy.
(I don’t really draw a sharp line between romantic partners and close friends, and find such a division slightly artificial in the first place. I prefer to just count both of them as members of my ‘extended family’.)
Sex is often associated with being in a romantic relationship, but I could also easily imagine being in a “friends with benefits” type of situation with someone, or being romantically involved with someone asexual. The asexuality wouldn’t necessarily even need to come only from their side—I’ve occasionally been somewhat smitten by specific men, despite having had little to no sexual interest in them.
If you’re always wondering if you could do better, you’ll put yourself on a hedonic treadmill that will never make you happy. Sometimes you have to say “this is the person, or these are the people, I love; I’m no longer looking for more”.
I’m not understanding this. Suppose that you have numerous friends that you care about: would you have to say “these are my friends; I’m not looking for more”? Would you then not be open to making more friends or meeting more people?
While I can understand the problem of never thinking what you have is good enough, I don’t see how being committed to improving your relationships and continuing to find more compatible partners causes this problem.
By and large you don’t buy houses with your friends. The sort of commitment you make to a life partner of many years is one you can only make to a few people at most.
I see. You have a few slots available and you’d like to fill them with lengthy stable commitments, so preserving stability requires giving up changing the slots. (I was thinking more of short-term and more casual dating relationships, where I don’t think this consideration applies.)
N.B. Some of us think only of long-term relationships, and never had a concept of “casual dating relationships” that aren’t an effort to start a long-term commitment.
is this person “good enough” for me to spend all my time in a relationship with them, or should I hold out and wait for someone better?
I struggle with the same question a lot. People seem to different on their acceptance that relationships they attempt might not last, and that they might get rejected, or that their partners might find someone who is a better match. These attitudes aren’t inherently related to monogamy and polyamory, but polyamory is probably more consistent with the recognition of the probable transience of most relationships.
Personally, I find polyamory simpler, mainly because it avoids the biggest problem in monoamory: is this person “good enough” for me to spend all my time in a relationship with them, or should I hold out and wait for someone better? The prospect of trying to make a decision like that makes me tired just thinking about it. :)
I agree: the simplicity or complexity of monogamy vs. polyamory depends on the intuitions and values of the people involved, and the dimension on which we are measure simplicity and complexity. If a relationship structure creates tension, drama, or conflict between or within the people involved, then it becomes emotionally complex.
A monogamous relationship is like a polyamorous relationship, except it has an additional constraint: you can’t see other people (well, actually it’s a set of more complex constraints, such as when talking to other people or flirting with other people is acceptable). In a polyamorous relationship, both partners are under less constraints, which potentially makes things simpler.
Even though poly relationships may be subject to less constraints with each individual partner, having multiple partners introduces more complexity.
Perhaps the simplest sort of relationship is a relationship that is polyamorous in principle, but where neither partner is actually seeing another person in practice.
I love those relationships. Where you are not seeing other people because you just don’t want to.
I don’t think it does avoid this problem. It’s nice to know that if someone cute propositions you, you’ll be able to say yes, but If you’re always wondering if you could do better, you’ll put yourself on a hedonic treadmill that will never make you happy. Sometimes you have to say “this is the person, or these are the people, I love; I’m no longer looking for more”.
It’s not so much always wondering if I could do better, as it is having a long list of things I’d like to have in a partner (having an interest in Singularity stuff, having certain hobbies, having certain kinks, and so on and so on). Empirical results so far suggest that a really good match can fulfill maybe 85% of the things on the list, but nobody can fulfill every point, especially since some of the things are mutually exclusive. I’d like to have somewhat with a sciency sort of background for the shared way of thinking about things, and someone with background in the humanities for a way of thinking about things that’s different from mine. (One could have both backgrounds, of course, but such people are rather rare.) I like kids but wouldn’t want to live with them, so I’d like a partner with kids who doesn’t live with me, and for all the usual reasons I’d also like to have a partner who does live with me. There are probably also some other mutual exclusions I’m not consciously aware of.
If I were monogamous, I’d have to settle on a single person and then spend time wondering whether this particular combination of things I want is the one making me the most happy. With poly, I can just look for a combination of people who together satisfy everything on the list. Not that I wouldn’t be happy even in a situation where only 85% (say) of the things were fulfilled, but fulfilling more would make me even more happy.
(I don’t really draw a sharp line between romantic partners and close friends, and find such a division slightly artificial in the first place. I prefer to just count both of them as members of my ‘extended family’.)
Well, there’s a division between the ones you connect with sexually and the ones you don’t, isn’t there?
Sex is often associated with being in a romantic relationship, but I could also easily imagine being in a “friends with benefits” type of situation with someone, or being romantically involved with someone asexual. The asexuality wouldn’t necessarily even need to come only from their side—I’ve occasionally been somewhat smitten by specific men, despite having had little to no sexual interest in them.
I’m not understanding this. Suppose that you have numerous friends that you care about: would you have to say “these are my friends; I’m not looking for more”? Would you then not be open to making more friends or meeting more people?
While I can understand the problem of never thinking what you have is good enough, I don’t see how being committed to improving your relationships and continuing to find more compatible partners causes this problem.
By and large you don’t buy houses with your friends. The sort of commitment you make to a life partner of many years is one you can only make to a few people at most.
In the spirit of the original post: Why not?
I see. You have a few slots available and you’d like to fill them with lengthy stable commitments, so preserving stability requires giving up changing the slots. (I was thinking more of short-term and more casual dating relationships, where I don’t think this consideration applies.)
N.B. Some of us think only of long-term relationships, and never had a concept of “casual dating relationships” that aren’t an effort to start a long-term commitment.
In the spirit of the original post: why did you choose to only have long-term relationships?
I struggle with the same question a lot. People seem to different on their acceptance that relationships they attempt might not last, and that they might get rejected, or that their partners might find someone who is a better match. These attitudes aren’t inherently related to monogamy and polyamory, but polyamory is probably more consistent with the recognition of the probable transience of most relationships.