Well, seeing an unknown man approaching you at night, granted this is more about criminality than IQ but the correlation is the same.
Once you specify where I am, who I am with, what kind of body language the man is using, how big he is, and what he is wearing, further specifying what race he is wouldn’t matter that much.
Also thinking about whether affirmative action and the desperate impact doctrine are reasonable ideas.
I can’t recall anyone on LW advocating those, so you might be attacking a straw man.
Once you specify where I am, who I am with, what kind of body language the man is using, how big he is, and what he is wearing, further specifying what race he is wouldn’t matter that much.
Is that true? Depending on the “where I am” part?
There’s only so much you can tell about someone from “what kind of body language the man is using, how big he is, and what he is wearing”, after all. In the right racially-segregated society, could it provide valuable additional data?
Also thinking about whether affirmative action and the desperate impact doctrine are reasonable ideas.
I can’t recall anyone on LW advocating those, so you might be attacking a straw man.
That’s because they rarely come up. In any case my point is that these doctrines are in place in the USA and the false belief that race is uncorrelated with anything important.
I mean data about individuals like resumes and qualifications That racial-group info correlates with important things is unimportant, unless it correlates significantly more than individual data. However, the reverse is the case.
First I don’t understand the distinction your drawing between “individual data” and presumably “group data” since the people with a particular qualification are a group and conversely skin color, say, is a property of an individual.
Back to the point: in the great-grandparent I was talking about affirmative action and the disparate impact. The logic of those is based on concluding that racism happened on the basis of disparate outcomes. This logic relies on the implicit premise that race isn’t correlated with anything important. I don’t see how anything you wrote in your two comments that addresses this issue.
Well, seeing an unknown man approaching you at night
Actually, it is far more prudent to avoid a stranger approaching me at night, regardless of his race—depending on the environment I am in.
If he is approaching from a dark alley, I will head away from him, whatever his race. If he approaches me at a party full of friends, I will speak to him.
The crime statistics are not so incredibly different for blacks and whites that you can simply trust all of the whites.
Well, seeing an unknown man approaching you at night, granted this is more about criminality than IQ but the correlation is the same.
Also thinking about whether affirmative action and the desperate impact doctrine are reasonable ideas.
Once you specify where I am, who I am with, what kind of body language the man is using, how big he is, and what he is wearing, further specifying what race he is wouldn’t matter that much.
I can’t recall anyone on LW advocating those, so you might be attacking a straw man.
Is that true? Depending on the “where I am” part?
There’s only so much you can tell about someone from “what kind of body language the man is using, how big he is, and what he is wearing”, after all. In the right racially-segregated society, could it provide valuable additional data?
That’s because they rarely come up. In any case my point is that these doctrines are in place in the USA and the false belief that race is uncorrelated with anything important.
Nobody has yet shown that racial-group data is more correlated with important things than individual data.
What do you mean by “individual data”?
Also, how is this relevant to my point?
I mean data about individuals like resumes and qualifications That racial-group info correlates with important things is unimportant, unless it correlates significantly more than individual data. However, the reverse is the case.
First I don’t understand the distinction your drawing between “individual data” and presumably “group data” since the people with a particular qualification are a group and conversely skin color, say, is a property of an individual.
Back to the point: in the great-grandparent I was talking about affirmative action and the disparate impact. The logic of those is based on concluding that racism happened on the basis of disparate outcomes. This logic relies on the implicit premise that race isn’t correlated with anything important. I don’t see how anything you wrote in your two comments that addresses this issue.
Actually, it is far more prudent to avoid a stranger approaching me at night, regardless of his race—depending on the environment I am in.
If he is approaching from a dark alley, I will head away from him, whatever his race. If he approaches me at a party full of friends, I will speak to him.
The crime statistics are not so incredibly different for blacks and whites that you can simply trust all of the whites.