Thankyou for sharing your introspective experience. I’m always interested in how the human brain works and I find that the more I am able to instantiate the model of ‘human’ for a specific person the more I am able to empathize, comprehend their meaning and cross the inferential gap when trying to express my thoughts in a way that translates accurately.
I too have a particularly active inhibitor in my brain, although through experiences and active personal development have significantly reduced the negative effects. The challenging part was removing the maladaptive inhibitions while keeping the ‘perfectionism’ benefits that for me came hand in hand with that overactive system.
Thank you for the pointers to those three “supplements”; I didn’t know that such effective anti-anxiety substances were available OTC in the US! I’ve tried some supplements that “support positive mood” via effects on neurotransmitters, but not the ones you’ve listed; I’ll have to check them out.
I should clarify somewhat what I am suggesting the supplements can be useful for.
Aniracetam Very safe. As in, it is more or less impossible to overdose on the stuff and it isn’t going to mess you. It is probably safer than just about anything you can get in a pharmacy, including the glucose lollies they sell the front desk. It also doesn’t seem to come with significant tolerance/dependency problems that anxiety drugs are notorious for.
… But the anxiolytic properties are not the primary use of aniracetam. It is a cognitive enhancer that happens to have some anti-anxiety effects thrown in as a bonus. It isn’t going to completely counter serious anxiety problems but most people find that it makes socializing more relaxing and flow better. More significant to me is that the primary effect is just what is needed when socializing too. It boosts verbal fluency in particular and (by subjective reports) makes the subtleties in communication and the naunces of music more salient.
Picamilon ”Mostly Harmless”—It is just Niacin and GABA hooked up together in a way that will get it through the blood-brain barrier before it falls apart. Reports tend to be that it has a mild but reliable effect on reducing anxiety without a nasty rebound. People tend to ‘cycle’ on and off so that they can maintain the effectiveness.
Phenibut ”Use Responsibily”—Phenibut is safer and way healthier than either benzos or booze but at the same time it is not a toy. With aniracetam you can casually eat a tablespoon of the stuff just to see if you notice the difference. You do not do that with Phenibut. This is a real drug, you show it the proper respect.
In terms of effect this stuff is powerful. It isn’t a ‘oh, yeah, that is a bit better’ kind of thing. When used to treat anxiety it is basically a drug with reliable and significant effects (and effectiveness). It does, however come with side effects when used excessively. Specifically it has unpleasant withdrawal effects if you stop using it suddenly after long term, high dose use. it also builds up tolerance relatively so you can not use it every day. It is better to use it once a week or so, when you are out socializing. ie; as an all round superior replacement for alcohol.
In comparison to alcohol: The effects on inhibition are extremely similar. This isn’t surprising since it approximately the same mechanism at play (boosting GABA). It also tends to boost confidence and mood (as alohol sometimes does). Unlike alcohol Phenibut makes you smarter, not dumber. It also doesn’t eliminate your sound judgement, ruin your liver and kill your neurons. (A note—if you combine phenibut with alcohol expect each drink to have twice as much effect as you are used to.)
Benzodiazepine (diazepam, Valium) THIS STUFF FUCKS YOU UP! Yes, I am both yelling and using an expletive. Whenever I lament the flaws in the medical system or suggest taking personal responsibility for your medical needs the misuse of benzo prescription is right up there on the list of reasons. I’m not being particularly contrarian here. This uncontroversial medical science (that isn’t reflected in medical practice in a sane way).
In terms of effectiveness this stuff will work to knock out anxiety (come to think of it it’ll knock the rest of you out too if you bump the dose). If you are having a panic attack or a seizure you want someone to be injecting it into you. What it also does in the short term is to impair all of your brain functions. What it does in the long term is permanently deteriorate both your physical health and brain activity. If you want to shock yourself look up some ‘before and after’ SPECT scans of the brains of benzo users.
To the usual disclaimer “I Am Not A Doctor” I will add “and you shouldn’t put your faith in what I say all that much even if I was.”
What about oxiracetam? Some of these sites list it as being more powerful and faster. Would that rank above phenibut?
It is certainly stronger and faster than aniracetam as a cognitive enhancer, but it isn’t above (or even on the same scale) as phenibut. Where aniracetam is relaxing oxiractam is stimulating. People report enhanced motivation and concentration on top of the effects on memory and cognition. Because it is stimulating it can also produce agitation and insomnia if you use too much or too late at night. Definitely worth considering if you are looking to play with nootropics in general.
What about oxiracetam? Some of these sites list it as being more powerful and faster. Would that rank above phenibut?
It is certainly stronger and faster than aniracetam as a cognitive enhancer, but it isn’t above (or even on the same scale) as phenibut. Where aniracetam is relaxing oxiractam is stimulating. People report enhanced motivation and concentration on top of the effects on memory and cognition. Because it is stimulating it can also produce agitation and insomnia if you use too much or too late at night.
Definitely worth considering if you are looking to play with nootropics in general.
I’ll be interested in reading any experiences you choose to share!
Which bottles were you referring to by the way? (If Aniracitam I would go on to recommend a choline source to go with it, or at least eating more eggs.)
I’ll be interested in reading any experiences you choose to share!
Which bottles were you referring to by the way? (If Aniracitam I would go on to recommend a choline source to go with it, or at least eating more eggs.)
Aniracetam and Picamilon, from Cognitive Nutrition. I will check Bulk Nutrition also; that may be cheaper. Why take choline along with aniracitam, and how much?
Aniracetam and Picamilon, from Cognitive Nutrition. I will check Bulk Nutrition also; that may be cheaper.
I’ve had positive experiences with Cognitive Nutrition too. The ‘cheap’ part of Bulk Nutrition is largely in the ‘Bulk’ keyword. :)
Why take choline along with aniracitam, and how much?
The primary cognitive enhancing function of aniracetam (and piracetam, oxiracetam and just about all the things that enhance memory and abstract thought...) work by boosting acetylcholine and, over a period of time, by boosting acetylcholine receptors. Basically this means you are going to burn through your choline more rapidly. A similar effect to if you burned it up by having an extended, intense cognitive workout without any nootropics. You will still get improvements from aniracetam, just less. Some people also describe ‘brain fog’ if they deplete their choline levels too much.
I use centrophenoxine as my choline source. It is actually quite a good nootropic even by itself. Alpha GPC is another popular source with positive effects apart from supplying choline. The basic source is choline bitartrate. Watch this video to see the advantages of choline bitartrate (and if my eyes don’t deceive me, bulk packaging from bulknutrition). Basically… it’s really really cheap.
Are centrophenoxine and choline bitartrate also available on those sites? Do you buy them by themselves? And how much do you take?
I already have some B complex vitamins that contain choline bitartrate (the label says each pill contains 40 mg of choline). Will this be enough, or are you talking about much larger amounts?
Choline usually should be taken at a 0.5:1 or 1:1 ratio. Given that you’ll be taking on the order of a gram of the -racetams (certainly with piracetam), 40mg of choline is laughably little—you want something more like 10x that.
Are centrophenoxine and choline bitartrate also available on those sites? Do you buy them by themselves? And how much do you take?
Any site that sells aniracetam will sell at least choline bitartrate. You usually buy them by themselves. I get mine in powder form and create the capsules myself. I create capsules with a controlled ratio of piracetam, aniracetam and centrophnisine then vary how many I take and how often as appropriate.
If taking just ani and centro a suitable, fairly conservative dose would be 500mg Ani + 250mg centro twice daily.
Not that with racetams the full effect can be expected after about two weeks.
Aniracetam and Picamilon, from Cognitive Nutrition. I will check Bulk Nutrition also; that may be cheaper.
I’ve had positive experiences with Cognitive Nutrition too. The ‘cheap’ part of Bulk Nutrition is largely in the ‘Bulk’ keyword. :)
Why take choline along with aniracitam, and how much?
The primary cognitive enhancing function of aniracetam (and piracetam, oxiracetam and just about all the things that enhance memory and abstract thought...) work by boosting acetylcholine and, over a period of time, by boosting acetylcholine receptors. Basically this means you are going to burn through your choline more rapidly. A similar effect to if you burned it up by having an extended, intense cognitive workout without any nootropics. You will still get improvements from aniracetam, just less. Some people also describe ‘brain fog’ if they deplete their choline levels too much.
I use centrophenoxine as my choline source. It is actually quite a good nootropic even by itself. Alpha GPC is another popular source with positive effects apart from supplying choline. The basic source is choline bitartrate. Watch this video to see the advantages of choline bitartrate (and if my eyes don’t deceive me, bulk packaging from bulknutrition). Basically… it’s really really cheap.
You can sometimes find them in larger supplement shops. But they will be much, much cheaper online. Bulknutrition.com is a source with a solid reputation for quality that can also be extremely cheap. Particularly, surprisingly enough if you buy in bulk and fill the capsules yourself.
You can sometimes find them in larger supplement shops. But they will be much, much cheaper online. Bulknutrition.com is a source with a solid reputation for quality that can also be extremely cheap. Particularly, surprisingly enough if you buy in bulk and fill the capsules yourself.
Thankyou for sharing your introspective experience. I’m always interested in how the human brain works and I find that the more I am able to instantiate the model of ‘human’ for a specific person the more I am able to empathize, comprehend their meaning and cross the inferential gap when trying to express my thoughts in a way that translates accurately.
I too have a particularly active inhibitor in my brain, although through experiences and active personal development have significantly reduced the negative effects. The challenging part was removing the maladaptive inhibitions while keeping the ‘perfectionism’ benefits that for me came hand in hand with that overactive system.
I should clarify somewhat what I am suggesting the supplements can be useful for.
Aniracetam
Very safe. As in, it is more or less impossible to overdose on the stuff and it isn’t going to mess you. It is probably safer than just about anything you can get in a pharmacy, including the glucose lollies they sell the front desk. It also doesn’t seem to come with significant tolerance/dependency problems that anxiety drugs are notorious for.
… But the anxiolytic properties are not the primary use of aniracetam. It is a cognitive enhancer that happens to have some anti-anxiety effects thrown in as a bonus. It isn’t going to completely counter serious anxiety problems but most people find that it makes socializing more relaxing and flow better. More significant to me is that the primary effect is just what is needed when socializing too. It boosts verbal fluency in particular and (by subjective reports) makes the subtleties in communication and the naunces of music more salient.
Picamilon
”Mostly Harmless”—It is just Niacin and GABA hooked up together in a way that will get it through the blood-brain barrier before it falls apart. Reports tend to be that it has a mild but reliable effect on reducing anxiety without a nasty rebound. People tend to ‘cycle’ on and off so that they can maintain the effectiveness.
Phenibut
”Use Responsibily”—Phenibut is safer and way healthier than either benzos or booze but at the same time it is not a toy. With aniracetam you can casually eat a tablespoon of the stuff just to see if you notice the difference. You do not do that with Phenibut. This is a real drug, you show it the proper respect.
In terms of effect this stuff is powerful. It isn’t a ‘oh, yeah, that is a bit better’ kind of thing. When used to treat anxiety it is basically a drug with reliable and significant effects (and effectiveness). It does, however come with side effects when used excessively. Specifically it has unpleasant withdrawal effects if you stop using it suddenly after long term, high dose use. it also builds up tolerance relatively so you can not use it every day. It is better to use it once a week or so, when you are out socializing. ie; as an all round superior replacement for alcohol.
In comparison to alcohol: The effects on inhibition are extremely similar. This isn’t surprising since it approximately the same mechanism at play (boosting GABA). It also tends to boost confidence and mood (as alohol sometimes does). Unlike alcohol Phenibut makes you smarter, not dumber. It also doesn’t eliminate your sound judgement, ruin your liver and kill your neurons. (A note—if you combine phenibut with alcohol expect each drink to have twice as much effect as you are used to.)
Benzodiazepine (diazepam, Valium)
THIS STUFF FUCKS YOU UP! Yes, I am both yelling and using an expletive. Whenever I lament the flaws in the medical system or suggest taking personal responsibility for your medical needs the misuse of benzo prescription is right up there on the list of reasons. I’m not being particularly contrarian here. This uncontroversial medical science (that isn’t reflected in medical practice in a sane way).
In terms of effectiveness this stuff will work to knock out anxiety (come to think of it it’ll knock the rest of you out too if you bump the dose). If you are having a panic attack or a seizure you want someone to be injecting it into you. What it also does in the short term is to impair all of your brain functions. What it does in the long term is permanently deteriorate both your physical health and brain activity. If you want to shock yourself look up some ‘before and after’ SPECT scans of the brains of benzo users.
To the usual disclaimer “I Am Not A Doctor” I will add “and you shouldn’t put your faith in what I say all that much even if I was.”
What about oxiracetam? Some of these sites list it as being more powerful and faster. Would that rank above phenibut?
It is certainly stronger and faster than aniracetam as a cognitive enhancer, but it isn’t above (or even on the same scale) as phenibut. Where aniracetam is relaxing oxiractam is stimulating. People report enhanced motivation and concentration on top of the effects on memory and cognition. Because it is stimulating it can also produce agitation and insomnia if you use too much or too late at night. Definitely worth considering if you are looking to play with nootropics in general.
It is certainly stronger and faster than aniracetam as a cognitive enhancer, but it isn’t above (or even on the same scale) as phenibut. Where aniracetam is relaxing oxiractam is stimulating. People report enhanced motivation and concentration on top of the effects on memory and cognition. Because it is stimulating it can also produce agitation and insomnia if you use too much or too late at night.
Definitely worth considering if you are looking to play with nootropics in general.
Thanks! I just ordered two bottles online and I’m curious to see how they affect me.
I’ll be interested in reading any experiences you choose to share!
Which bottles were you referring to by the way? (If Aniracitam I would go on to recommend a choline source to go with it, or at least eating more eggs.)
I’ll be interested in reading any experiences you choose to share!
Which bottles were you referring to by the way? (If Aniracitam I would go on to recommend a choline source to go with it, or at least eating more eggs.)
Aniracetam and Picamilon, from Cognitive Nutrition. I will check Bulk Nutrition also; that may be cheaper. Why take choline along with aniracitam, and how much?
I’ve had positive experiences with Cognitive Nutrition too. The ‘cheap’ part of Bulk Nutrition is largely in the ‘Bulk’ keyword. :)
The primary cognitive enhancing function of aniracetam (and piracetam, oxiracetam and just about all the things that enhance memory and abstract thought...) work by boosting acetylcholine and, over a period of time, by boosting acetylcholine receptors. Basically this means you are going to burn through your choline more rapidly. A similar effect to if you burned it up by having an extended, intense cognitive workout without any nootropics. You will still get improvements from aniracetam, just less. Some people also describe ‘brain fog’ if they deplete their choline levels too much.
I use centrophenoxine as my choline source. It is actually quite a good nootropic even by itself. Alpha GPC is another popular source with positive effects apart from supplying choline. The basic source is choline bitartrate. Watch this video to see the advantages of choline bitartrate (and if my eyes don’t deceive me, bulk packaging from bulknutrition). Basically… it’s really really cheap.
Are centrophenoxine and choline bitartrate also available on those sites? Do you buy them by themselves? And how much do you take?
I already have some B complex vitamins that contain choline bitartrate (the label says each pill contains 40 mg of choline). Will this be enough, or are you talking about much larger amounts?
Thanks for all the information!
Choline usually should be taken at a 0.5:1 or 1:1 ratio. Given that you’ll be taking on the order of a gram of the -racetams (certainly with piracetam), 40mg of choline is laughably little—you want something more like 10x that.
Any site that sells aniracetam will sell at least choline bitartrate. You usually buy them by themselves. I get mine in powder form and create the capsules myself. I create capsules with a controlled ratio of piracetam, aniracetam and centrophnisine then vary how many I take and how often as appropriate.
If taking just ani and centro a suitable, fairly conservative dose would be 500mg Ani + 250mg centro twice daily.
Not that with racetams the full effect can be expected after about two weeks.
I’ve had positive experiences with Cognitive Nutrition too. The ‘cheap’ part of Bulk Nutrition is largely in the ‘Bulk’ keyword. :)
The primary cognitive enhancing function of aniracetam (and piracetam, oxiracetam and just about all the things that enhance memory and abstract thought...) work by boosting acetylcholine and, over a period of time, by boosting acetylcholine receptors. Basically this means you are going to burn through your choline more rapidly. A similar effect to if you burned it up by having an extended, intense cognitive workout without any nootropics. You will still get improvements from aniracetam, just less. Some people also describe ‘brain fog’ if they deplete their choline levels too much.
I use centrophenoxine as my choline source. It is actually quite a good nootropic even by itself. Alpha GPC is another popular source with positive effects apart from supplying choline. The basic source is choline bitartrate. Watch this video to see the advantages of choline bitartrate (and if my eyes don’t deceive me, bulk packaging from bulknutrition). Basically… it’s really really cheap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdgtsT0ylkk
Thanks for the info! Are these mostly things you have to order online, or can you expect to find them in pharmacies and supplement shops?
You can sometimes find them in larger supplement shops. But they will be much, much cheaper online. Bulknutrition.com is a source with a solid reputation for quality that can also be extremely cheap. Particularly, surprisingly enough if you buy in bulk and fill the capsules yourself.
You can sometimes find them in larger supplement shops. But they will be much, much cheaper online. Bulknutrition.com is a source with a solid reputation for quality that can also be extremely cheap. Particularly, surprisingly enough if you buy in bulk and fill the capsules yourself.