Aniracetam and Picamilon, from Cognitive Nutrition. I will check Bulk Nutrition also; that may be cheaper.
I’ve had positive experiences with Cognitive Nutrition too. The ‘cheap’ part of Bulk Nutrition is largely in the ‘Bulk’ keyword. :)
Why take choline along with aniracitam, and how much?
The primary cognitive enhancing function of aniracetam (and piracetam, oxiracetam and just about all the things that enhance memory and abstract thought...) work by boosting acetylcholine and, over a period of time, by boosting acetylcholine receptors. Basically this means you are going to burn through your choline more rapidly. A similar effect to if you burned it up by having an extended, intense cognitive workout without any nootropics. You will still get improvements from aniracetam, just less. Some people also describe ‘brain fog’ if they deplete their choline levels too much.
I use centrophenoxine as my choline source. It is actually quite a good nootropic even by itself. Alpha GPC is another popular source with positive effects apart from supplying choline. The basic source is choline bitartrate. Watch this video to see the advantages of choline bitartrate (and if my eyes don’t deceive me, bulk packaging from bulknutrition). Basically… it’s really really cheap.
Are centrophenoxine and choline bitartrate also available on those sites? Do you buy them by themselves? And how much do you take?
I already have some B complex vitamins that contain choline bitartrate (the label says each pill contains 40 mg of choline). Will this be enough, or are you talking about much larger amounts?
Choline usually should be taken at a 0.5:1 or 1:1 ratio. Given that you’ll be taking on the order of a gram of the -racetams (certainly with piracetam), 40mg of choline is laughably little—you want something more like 10x that.
Are centrophenoxine and choline bitartrate also available on those sites? Do you buy them by themselves? And how much do you take?
Any site that sells aniracetam will sell at least choline bitartrate. You usually buy them by themselves. I get mine in powder form and create the capsules myself. I create capsules with a controlled ratio of piracetam, aniracetam and centrophnisine then vary how many I take and how often as appropriate.
If taking just ani and centro a suitable, fairly conservative dose would be 500mg Ani + 250mg centro twice daily.
Not that with racetams the full effect can be expected after about two weeks.
I’ve had positive experiences with Cognitive Nutrition too. The ‘cheap’ part of Bulk Nutrition is largely in the ‘Bulk’ keyword. :)
The primary cognitive enhancing function of aniracetam (and piracetam, oxiracetam and just about all the things that enhance memory and abstract thought...) work by boosting acetylcholine and, over a period of time, by boosting acetylcholine receptors. Basically this means you are going to burn through your choline more rapidly. A similar effect to if you burned it up by having an extended, intense cognitive workout without any nootropics. You will still get improvements from aniracetam, just less. Some people also describe ‘brain fog’ if they deplete their choline levels too much.
I use centrophenoxine as my choline source. It is actually quite a good nootropic even by itself. Alpha GPC is another popular source with positive effects apart from supplying choline. The basic source is choline bitartrate. Watch this video to see the advantages of choline bitartrate (and if my eyes don’t deceive me, bulk packaging from bulknutrition). Basically… it’s really really cheap.
Are centrophenoxine and choline bitartrate also available on those sites? Do you buy them by themselves? And how much do you take?
I already have some B complex vitamins that contain choline bitartrate (the label says each pill contains 40 mg of choline). Will this be enough, or are you talking about much larger amounts?
Thanks for all the information!
Choline usually should be taken at a 0.5:1 or 1:1 ratio. Given that you’ll be taking on the order of a gram of the -racetams (certainly with piracetam), 40mg of choline is laughably little—you want something more like 10x that.
Any site that sells aniracetam will sell at least choline bitartrate. You usually buy them by themselves. I get mine in powder form and create the capsules myself. I create capsules with a controlled ratio of piracetam, aniracetam and centrophnisine then vary how many I take and how often as appropriate.
If taking just ani and centro a suitable, fairly conservative dose would be 500mg Ani + 250mg centro twice daily.
Not that with racetams the full effect can be expected after about two weeks.