’m pretty sure i’ve figured out quirrelmorts plan for harry and magical britian.
To TLDR it for you guys, hes going to train harry as a caesar, and use harry as a figurehead/puppet to force magical britian into a war of conquest with the rest of the magical world, probably selling it as a world wide war on dark wizards. Then once england owns the wizard world, they own the entire world since you can’t fight invisible mind rapers.
Viewed in this context all of his actions start making sense. Harry is a very well known figurehead and a natural leader for magical Britannia to unite behind. Suddenly quirrelmorts speech of uniting magical Brittan under one person (harry) makes sense, once you’ve imbued all the power into a single leader its a lot easier to effectively run a war, as well as hurting harry’s main competition for power.
His first step is to go to Hogwarts, the most important place in england. He organizes it so that he can get away with blatantly improving the combat effectiveness of all the Hogwarts students there, developing and show casing the future generals and officers of the later wars. Also because those generals and officers will develop followers, all he has to do is gain influence over those people and he gains all of their followers as well. He also gets to develop his own Caesar, Harry. Hes already said that power in the magic world flows from strong wizards and their followers.
Then he convinces harry to undertake a war against the magical world. He points out that it will impossible to get rid of things such as the power of the noble houses and Azkabhan without taking power. He also points out to harry that if he wants to raise the living standards of the muggle world he will need a united magical world behind him, something that he will be unable to do by peaceful means since he will first need to exterminate all of the dark wizards. With both harry and quirrelmort on the same side with technology they would be able to both curb stomp other countries and administer them effectively.
Then with Harry’s participation, he puppet masters a civil war in another country and gets magical England to step in to save the country, and get harry/draco appointed/showcased as wonderful warriors. They then use this power to keep taking over more and more of the real power in england. Then you start administrating the new country as a vassal state, raise more recruits, get a bigger army, rinse and repeat until they own the magical world. Then with the magical world united they own the muggle world since lets face it, you can’t fight a foe that can turn invisible and mind rape your leaders.
And of course since england is ruling the world as an empire, and harry is ruling the world as caesar, and quirrelmort has his hooks into harry, quirrelmort now rules the world.
Or at least thats what my plan wold be if I were quirrelmort.
Also on rita skeeter, they either memory charmed her into believing everything herself, or imperiused her into doing so, or simply used the polyjuice potion to turn it in themselves. My money would be memory charming her because it would be the most practical reliable way of getting her to believe everything, writing an authentic article and convincing her editor to run it the next day as the headliner.
Also on rita skeeter, they either memory charmed her into believing everything herself, or imperiused her into doing so, or simply used the polyjuice potion to turn it in themselves. My money would be memory charming her because it would be the most practical reliable way of getting her to believe everything, writing an authentic article and convincing her editor to run it the next day as the headliner.
My most plausible hypothesis is that their plan for fooling Rita Skeeter is some incredibly clever black box that Eliezer hasn’t bothered to fill in, even for himself, because it’s simply not that important to the plot to waste time coming up with something suitably clever they might have done. Any attempt to figure out what they did would then be wasted, since the author can’t be dropping clues to an answer he doesn’t even know.
My most plausible hypothesis is that their plan for fooling Rita Skeeter is some incredibly clever black box that Eliezer hasn’t bothered to fill in, even for himself, because it’s simply not that important to the plot to waste time coming up with something suitably clever they might have done.
To be honest that passage didn’t strike me as strong enough to warrant inventing a fake black box. It’s the sort of thing that is only worth putting in there because you’ve thought of a clever way to do it but just coming out with it directly feels slow story wise and it is better to give folks a chance to guess.
This seems far too long-term for the purposes of Eliezer’s story. The only way a plan of this detail would make MOR better is if we actually got to see it acted out, and I cannot imagine Eliezer not wrapping up the plot before Harry is old enough to rule. He’s certainly not going to fast-forward through the majority of Harry’s Hogwarts time.
No, I think Quirrelmort’s plan is explicitly linked to the Sorcerer’s Stone. If he can get Harry to obtain it for him, he’s won.
The parent was the first hypothesis that I formed when I first read that chapter, but it doesn’t check out. Putting yourself out of action for ten years and waiting another ~7 for your chosen champion to mature doesn’t look like an optimal way of taking over the world.
And then there’s the whole Philosopher’s Stone plot. Clearly, he’s planning to return to power.
Come to think of it, why is the Philosopher’s Stone in Hogwarts this year? Dumbledore introduces the Third Floor Corridor in chapter 12, so we know it hadn’t been around before.....
Why lay out a bait for Voldemort the year Harry joins Hogwarts? What does DD know?
From canon. Because this was the year that Quirrellmort tried to steal it out of the vault at Gringotts. So it needed to be somewhere safer—the only place safer than Gringotts → Hogwarts.
In canon, Quirrelmort tried to steal it after it was taken away. We were never told why Dumbledore suspected that Voldemort would try to get a hold of it that year.
Remember that one possible means of Voldemort’s resurrection is possessing someone, like he is now (presumably) possessing Quirrel. I think he ultimately plans to turn Harry into a perfect host for himself, and then jump into Harry’s body once the latter has conquered the world for him.
One would think that magical journalists would have some countermeasures to that sort of thing worked out. All of the papers would read like the Quibbler if you could hang around outside the newspaper offices disillusioned and memory charming people.
Cross posting what I wrote on TV Tropes
’m pretty sure i’ve figured out quirrelmorts plan for harry and magical britian. To TLDR it for you guys, hes going to train harry as a caesar, and use harry as a figurehead/puppet to force magical britian into a war of conquest with the rest of the magical world, probably selling it as a world wide war on dark wizards. Then once england owns the wizard world, they own the entire world since you can’t fight invisible mind rapers.
Viewed in this context all of his actions start making sense. Harry is a very well known figurehead and a natural leader for magical Britannia to unite behind. Suddenly quirrelmorts speech of uniting magical Brittan under one person (harry) makes sense, once you’ve imbued all the power into a single leader its a lot easier to effectively run a war, as well as hurting harry’s main competition for power. His first step is to go to Hogwarts, the most important place in england. He organizes it so that he can get away with blatantly improving the combat effectiveness of all the Hogwarts students there, developing and show casing the future generals and officers of the later wars. Also because those generals and officers will develop followers, all he has to do is gain influence over those people and he gains all of their followers as well. He also gets to develop his own Caesar, Harry. Hes already said that power in the magic world flows from strong wizards and their followers.
Then he convinces harry to undertake a war against the magical world. He points out that it will impossible to get rid of things such as the power of the noble houses and Azkabhan without taking power. He also points out to harry that if he wants to raise the living standards of the muggle world he will need a united magical world behind him, something that he will be unable to do by peaceful means since he will first need to exterminate all of the dark wizards. With both harry and quirrelmort on the same side with technology they would be able to both curb stomp other countries and administer them effectively.
Then with Harry’s participation, he puppet masters a civil war in another country and gets magical England to step in to save the country, and get harry/draco appointed/showcased as wonderful warriors. They then use this power to keep taking over more and more of the real power in england. Then you start administrating the new country as a vassal state, raise more recruits, get a bigger army, rinse and repeat until they own the magical world. Then with the magical world united they own the muggle world since lets face it, you can’t fight a foe that can turn invisible and mind rape your leaders.
And of course since england is ruling the world as an empire, and harry is ruling the world as caesar, and quirrelmort has his hooks into harry, quirrelmort now rules the world. Or at least thats what my plan wold be if I were quirrelmort.
Also on rita skeeter, they either memory charmed her into believing everything herself, or imperiused her into doing so, or simply used the polyjuice potion to turn it in themselves. My money would be memory charming her because it would be the most practical reliable way of getting her to believe everything, writing an authentic article and convincing her editor to run it the next day as the headliner.
My most plausible hypothesis is that their plan for fooling Rita Skeeter is some incredibly clever black box that Eliezer hasn’t bothered to fill in, even for himself, because it’s simply not that important to the plot to waste time coming up with something suitably clever they might have done. Any attempt to figure out what they did would then be wasted, since the author can’t be dropping clues to an answer he doesn’t even know.
If that turns out to be true, I shall be very disappointed in Eliezer.
I know what they did and it shall be revealed.
Keikaku doori.
(TL note: keikaku means plan)
So. It has come to this.
http://xkcd.com/1022/ for those not up on their XKCD.
It can’t be herped.
Excellent.
To be honest that passage didn’t strike me as strong enough to warrant inventing a fake black box. It’s the sort of thing that is only worth putting in there because you’ve thought of a clever way to do it but just coming out with it directly feels slow story wise and it is better to give folks a chance to guess.
This seems far too long-term for the purposes of Eliezer’s story. The only way a plan of this detail would make MOR better is if we actually got to see it acted out, and I cannot imagine Eliezer not wrapping up the plot before Harry is old enough to rule. He’s certainly not going to fast-forward through the majority of Harry’s Hogwarts time.
No, I think Quirrelmort’s plan is explicitly linked to the Sorcerer’s Stone. If he can get Harry to obtain it for him, he’s won.
The parent was the first hypothesis that I formed when I first read that chapter, but it doesn’t check out. Putting yourself out of action for ten years and waiting another ~7 for your chosen champion to mature doesn’t look like an optimal way of taking over the world.
And then there’s the whole Philosopher’s Stone plot. Clearly, he’s planning to return to power.
Come to think of it, why is the Philosopher’s Stone in Hogwarts this year? Dumbledore introduces the Third Floor Corridor in chapter 12, so we know it hadn’t been around before.....
Why lay out a bait for Voldemort the year Harry joins Hogwarts? What does DD know?
From canon. Because this was the year that Quirrellmort tried to steal it out of the vault at Gringotts. So it needed to be somewhere safer—the only place safer than Gringotts → Hogwarts.
In canon, Quirrelmort tried to steal it after it was taken away. We were never told why Dumbledore suspected that Voldemort would try to get a hold of it that year.
I think its worse than that for Harry.
Remember that one possible means of Voldemort’s resurrection is possessing someone, like he is now (presumably) possessing Quirrel. I think he ultimately plans to turn Harry into a perfect host for himself, and then jump into Harry’s body once the latter has conquered the world for him.
One would think that magical journalists would have some countermeasures to that sort of thing worked out. All of the papers would read like the Quibbler if you could hang around outside the newspaper offices disillusioned and memory charming people.