Or, recently created memories esp of false-memory-charm origin are likely to be in the forefront, and push everything else to the background.
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Anyone remember this ….
“And the reason it is easy for you to forgive such fools and think well of them, Mr. Potter, is that you yourself have not been sorely hurt. You will think less fondly of commonplace idiots after the first time their folly costs you something dear. Such as a hundred Galleons from your own pocket, perhaps, rather than the agonizing deaths of a hundred strangers.”
Now he’s gone and spent a hundred THOUSAND Galleons on a friend’s folly, and I don’t think Quirrelmort would’ve expected that.
Can we get a sub-reddit? I’m tired of finding out which is the right thread for the present, and all the posts are scrambled over multiple threads, etc.
A sub-reddit might also get new people to hpmor, as opposed to being on lesswrong.com
I don’t have a reddit account, but I’d create one if hpmor was there.
Can’t see the significance of ‘The Horn Effect’ in the title....
Is it that the Daily Prophet, et al, are creating a Horn effect against Hermione?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_halo_and_horn_effect
Chap 79 - EY’s added #40 on list to read.
Chap 40
HP discloses to Q, Lucius’s conversation, and also speculates that Dumbledore will kill Draco, making it seem as if Harry did it, to get Lucius to stop his game against Dumbledore and go after Harry.
Q suggests only way to remove cognitive dissonance in others is to kill them
Q talks about ways to stay alive and does not mention Horcruxes, instead leading on to the resurrection stone.
HP shows the Deathly Hallows symbol to Q who seems to have been oblivious of the Hallows till now, same as canon, & unsurprising given his Muggle upbringing. So he knows about the cloak, and now the stone, very likely that he knows about the wand as well
I also find it impossible to believe that Hermione lost to Malfoy, she just beat him fair & square in battle. That certainly sounds like a false memory.
Intermittent one is either people using time-turners, Weasley’s don;t know about time-turners, so they think it’s showing one person in two places or If it showed two names for the same person, that might be an intermittent bug too, ie Quirrel/Riddle based on who he is at the moment.
Permanent bug might be someone floating in the castle who they know shouldn’t be there, perhaps Pettigrew, or Sirius, or someone who should be there but isn’t—ie Quirrell being unplottable.
Dumbledore & Snape are known Occlumens, but they show up on the map just fine.
In canon, the bug that Harry saw was Pettigrew on the map but he wasn’t actually there in reality.
Aah, somehow I read your earlier statement to mean H&C & Santa Claus were the same.
And you’re absolutely right, Santa Claus is one person, and the name signifies it is the same person.
Looks like Harry told Quirrell that it was signed Santa Claus—we should assume in the future letters are from the same person or Q, since Q would definitely forge such letters if it was to his advantage.
“Although of course Harry hadn’t told Professor Quirrell who’d sent him the card, nor what it was supposed to do, before he’d asked Professor Quirrell if it was possible to tell where the portkey would send him.” … Harry had shown Professor Quirrell the note that had accompanied the deck of cards, saying nothing of the earlier notes.
My hypothesis for now is SC = Dumbledore/Nicholas Flamel. H&C = Quirrell.
And 75th above makes a strong case for SC=D—http://lesswrong.com/lw/ams/harry_potter_and_the_methods_of_rationality/60uj
I was annoyed too, then I read Eliezer’s comment somewhere about deliberately embedding many clues on Quirrelmort and other things, and reading the reviews to figure out who got them.
After that, I just decided that what looked like a clue, smelled like a clue, was probably a clue—and not some mysterious writing which is meant to be mysterious. My eyes were opened :) Might work for you too :)
In 14 - Harry’s Invisibility Cloak is not given by Santa Claus—the letter is unsigned unlike future letters—and is almost surely given by Dumbledore himself. Perhaps this is a hint toward the use of a time-turner? (Does Hermione know about Harry’s time-turner yet? )
63 is on the list—where Harry actually receives the gift from Claus.
Also, 43-47 has Harry going deep into his dark side, that’s probably more the clue than killing of the dementor.
OT—Whoa! I didn’t realize that http://hpmor.com/chapter/58 had someone saying “I’m not serious”—awesome!
Why do you think that particular Santa Claus was H & C ?
Sounded more like Lupin to me, with the ‘getting into more trouble than James’ reference.
Eliezer suggests re-reading 14, 21, 26, 35, 43-47, 56-57, 63, 66, 73-77, chapters
What’re the possible clues embedded in these chapters?
14 - Time-turner given to HP, Santa Claus gives inv Cloak
21 - Hermione worried that she was going ‘bad’ + Bayesian Conspiracy starts + Draco wants to learn about blood + SC gifts 2 galleons, Occlumency book, advice about Quirrell, and warnings about Dumbledore
26 - Noticing Confusion. A Muggle casts a dangerous spell on a Slytherin without knowing what the spell would do, also the Weasley’s plot in the Prophet. Bacon’s book to HP, Killing of Rita Skeeter
35 - After HP/Q talk at the end of the battle. Also, Blaise Zabini + H&C interaction, Harry teasing Draco about Draco/Hermione working together.
43-47 - Killing of the dementor, ends with HP & Draco discussion, Harry taking an oath against Narcissa’s murderer, Harry shown to be a Parselmouth
56-57 - Couple of chapters in Azkaban
63 - TSPE Aftermath, Harry recognizes Hermione as ‘good’, Trelawney’s aborted prophecy, HP receives SC gift of pack of cards.
66 - SA Part I, key seems to be “Lessson I learned is not to try plotss that would make girl-child friend think I am evil or boy-child friend think I am sstupid,” & “You will losse patience long before sseventh year, perhapss before end of thiss one. I sshall plan accordingly.”
73-77 - SA more thereof, ends with H&C groundhog attack on Hermione
Now, any of you folks digging up anything from the suggested chapters?
HPJEV has told Quirrel that Lucius threatened him with dire consequences if anything happened to Draco.
Q can’t make HPJEV do anything directly
Q, in the form of H&C, makes Hermione hurt Draco,
Why? One or more of …
To get Lucius to hurt Hermione
To get HPJEV to his dark side, moving him away from Hermione
To show HPJEV that no one is really ‘good’, ie even Hermione can hurt someone else
If that’s not true, then all I can say is “I am confused”.
Hehe, now re-reading it, I realize I’ve muddled things up :) - some parts in my head, some came out into the comment… Fixing it now...
From Chap 26
The key to a puzzle is often something you read twenty years ago in an old scroll, or a peculiar ring you saw on the finger of a man you met only once.
Possibly Voldemort made the Resurrection stone/ring into a Horcrux while killing his ‘uncle’.
Later in the same chapter, Quirrell suggests that he’s made Bacon’s diary into a Horcrux.
“Oh,” said Professor Quirrell, “don’t worry about a little rough handling. You could toss this diary in a fireplace and it would emerge unscathed. In any case, I await your decision.”
In canon, one of the main properties of a Horcrux is that it is indestructible by ordinary means, but since Quirrell has only ‘recently acquired’ this, it might just be charmed? Or would it be a Horcrux of Quirrell, rather than of Voldemort? Not sure...
[Edit] Original comment was screwed up, I had something in mind, and wrote parts of it here which made little sense
From canon. Because this was the year that Quirrellmort tried to steal it out of the vault at Gringotts. So it needed to be somewhere safer—the only place safer than Gringotts → Hogwarts.
Dumbledore tells Harry that Voldemort has used Dark Magic to save his own ‘soul’ at the cost of Myrtle’s life. So Harry knows of at least one Dark Ritual which needs a death as sacrifice, ie making a Horcrux.
Quirrell tells Harry that the darkest ritual he knows requires only a sword that has slain a woman, and a rope that has hanged a man—to summon death.
Since Harry knows Quirrell knows every Dark Ritual there is worth knowing, and one of the rules of Evil Overlords is to get immortality, Harry knows that Quirrell is not telling him about the Horcrux ritual. If he puts the ‘where to hide a Horcrux’ & ‘the lose 5 things’ bits together, he will know he can never kill QuirrellMort, since he’s unlikely to get to any of the Horcruxes anyway.
Obviously Voldemort—to figure out what really happened that night.
Assume Quirrell is not able to model ‘good’ people well → we know he is not all powerful, and this is certainly where he is weak—witness conv with Harry on ‘give a finger of my wand hand’, ‘does it really matter what your friends think’, etc.
And each iteration with Hermione could have brought a different reason from Hermione, which was then subverted—we only saw one arc. Also H&C wanted Hermione as a willing participant, not as an NPC, much harder than simply memory charming her.
It’s very unlikely EY has used two different H&C, and there was the ‘wards keyed in’ statement of both H&C & Quirrell earlier.
Will need much stronger evidence to say Quirrell is not H&C.
Woot! Perhaps a few days more, and then I’ll have to take the day off :)
Currently 4,800 words into Ch. 83, the Aftermath (final chapter) of the next story sequence.
This is great! I’m here two years later and learning a lot! Thank you!
If you have time do you have an update to the answers to the above questions after 2 years?
In addition, what does your current practice of self love look like?