This doesn’t sound wrong exactly but it does sound icky.
It seems to be missing “we are talking to each other in good faith, cooperatively; we point out the existence of the frame choices rather than sneakily trying to end up with a frame that’s good for what we want right now”.
I mean it’s technically kindasorta there in some of the expanding, like “you think so? But this other person said the opposite”. But the spirit still seems adversarial and manipulative, even in “win-win”. Like… “the only reason I’m not punching you is because you got lucky and accidentally agree with what I want”.
If I used these techniques with myself it would feel like bad brain habits.
I don’t want to be on the receiving end.
Maybe this is supposed to be applicable only in situations where you’re fine treating people as NPCs to be manipulated? If so, add that context, on LW. If not—FYI, it came off as if it was, to at least one person, namely me.
GuySrinivasan there are instructions on casting a dark spell, step by step
You don’t cast Avada Kedavra with happy thoughts, you cast it with the intention to kill
You cast fiendfyre with blood
And you cast “TARE DETRIMENS” by having very bad brain habits, on average
This wasnt a guide for the purpose of doing it. This was a guide for the purpose of recognizing it when done to you and seeing them dance the steps and having them reified
This doesn’t sound wrong exactly but it does sound icky.
It seems to be missing “we are talking to each other in good faith, cooperatively; we point out the existence of the frame choices rather than sneakily trying to end up with a frame that’s good for what we want right now”.
I mean it’s technically kindasorta there in some of the expanding, like “you think so? But this other person said the opposite”. But the spirit still seems adversarial and manipulative, even in “win-win”. Like… “the only reason I’m not punching you is because you got lucky and accidentally agree with what I want”.
If I used these techniques with myself it would feel like bad brain habits.
I don’t want to be on the receiving end.
Maybe this is supposed to be applicable only in situations where you’re fine treating people as NPCs to be manipulated? If so, add that context, on LW. If not—FYI, it came off as if it was, to at least one person, namely me.
GuySrinivasan there are instructions on casting a dark spell, step by step
You don’t cast Avada Kedavra with happy thoughts, you cast it with the intention to kill
You cast fiendfyre with blood
And you cast “TARE DETRIMENS” by having very bad brain habits, on average
This wasnt a guide for the purpose of doing it. This was a guide for the purpose of recognizing it when done to you and seeing them dance the steps and having them reified
If it wasn’t “icky”, why would it be a dark art?
Ah, I was confused the whole time.
I thought you were trying to show us how to Counterspell! :D
Well, given the drop in upvotes, i can only imagine you weren’t alone, so that’s probably on me, should have made it clearer ;-)