Mmm. If someone provides real examples and gets downvoted for them, isn’t that stronger evidence of issues here?
There’s presence of examples of any kind, distinction between real and not-real examples, and (voting) response to an attempt to provide examples if they are considered not-real. We could in principle collect data on all three of these, and if you provide the labeling we can also see your distinction between real and not-real examples, how it differs from someone else’s distinction.
Absence of such data makes the issue more murky and less resolved, requests for more data seem clearly beneficial regardless of anyone’s motivations or positions. Especially if the proponents of the unpopular position are the ones framing the data (there is no need to stay in the trap of the framing of a particular request for data), as this presents a greater opportunity for someone to change their mind, which is progress compared to the no-op of nobody changing their mind. Data is an asymmetric weapon, it acts to convince with more efficacy in the direction of true state of things that generated the data.
On your “Haha” react to the gears to ascension’s words:
There’s presence of examples of any kind, distinction between real and not-real examples, and (voting) response to an attempt to provide examples if they are considered not-real. We could in principle collect data on all three of these, and if you provide the labeling we can also see your distinction between real and not-real examples, how it differs from someone else’s distinction.
Absence of such data makes the issue more murky and less resolved, requests for more data seem clearly beneficial regardless of anyone’s motivations or positions. Especially if the proponents of the unpopular position are the ones framing the data (there is no need to stay in the trap of the framing of a particular request for data), as this presents a greater opportunity for someone to change their mind, which is progress compared to the no-op of nobody changing their mind. Data is an asymmetric weapon, it acts to convince with more efficacy in the direction of true state of things that generated the data.