Can you give an example of a movement of this scale or larger that had a scandal of this level, and reacted better than EA did?
I think almost any large organization/company would have gone through a much more comprehensive fault-analysis and would have made many measurable improvements. For examples of this you could read through the history of Apple, or Tesla, or TSMC, or Intel. You could also look into the reforms that happened to lots of investment banks post 2008.
Companies are different than social movements, though my sense is that in the history of religion there have also been many successful reform efforts in response to various crises, which seems more similar.
As another interesting example, it also seems to me that Germany pretty successfully reformed its government and culture post World-War 2.
I think Germany is an extreme outlier here fwiw, (eg) Japan did far worse things and after WW2 cared more about covering up wrongdoing than with admitting fault; further, Germany’s government and cultural “reformation” was very much strongarmed by the US and other allies, whereas the US actively assisted Japan in covering up war crimes.
I started writing a comment reply to elaborate after getting some disagreevotes on the parent comment, but decided that it’d be a distraction from the main conversation; I might expand on my position in an LW shortform at some point in the near future.
I think almost any large organization/company would have gone through a much more comprehensive fault-analysis and would have made many measurable improvements.
I think almost any large organization/company would have gone through a much more comprehensive fault-analysis and would have made many measurable improvements. For examples of this you could read through the history of Apple, or Tesla, or TSMC, or Intel. You could also look into the reforms that happened to lots of investment banks post 2008.
Companies are different than social movements, though my sense is that in the history of religion there have also been many successful reform efforts in response to various crises, which seems more similar.
As another interesting example, it also seems to me that Germany pretty successfully reformed its government and culture post World-War 2.
I think Germany is an extreme outlier here fwiw, (eg) Japan did far worse things and after WW2 cared more about covering up wrongdoing than with admitting fault; further, Germany’s government and cultural “reformation” was very much strongarmed by the US and other allies, whereas the US actively assisted Japan in covering up war crimes.
EDIT: See shortform elaboration: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/s58hDHX2GkFDbpGKD/linch-s-shortform?commentId=ywf8R3CobzdkbTx3d
Here are some notes on why I think Imperial Japan was unusually bad, even by the very low bar set by the Second World War.
Curious why you say “far worse” rather than “similarly bad” though this isn’t important to the main conversation.
I started writing a comment reply to elaborate after getting some disagreevotes on the parent comment, but decided that it’d be a distraction from the main conversation; I might expand on my position in an LW shortform at some point in the near future.
Update: OK, now I agree. I encourage you to make a post on it.
I claim YCombinator is a counter example.
(The existence of one counterexample obviously doesn’t disagree with the “almost any” claim.)