Didn’t Will_Newsome say several times that he was trolling and post material designed to get downvoted? Not sure that’s quite a comparison to eridu.
(To give a recent example, we banned a user from #lesswrong for mailbombing with porn sites another user; they did this partially because they were offended and partially to get themselves banned and stop spending time there. The ban is perfectly justified, yet I would not have called them a troll before or after.)
Didn’t Will_Newsome say several times that he was trolling and post material designed to get downvoted? Not sure that’s quite a comparison to eridu.
Yes, he did. No, I wasn’t comparing them to each other, but it is the case that unlike eridu or Dmytry, Will_Newsome did not trigger the “since he posted lots of trollish comments, let’s delete reasonable comments by him as well” reaction in the mods, as far as I can remember.
I’ve had a few comments deleted that I thought weren’t egregiously unreasonable but were “provocative” and minimally substantive. I don’t think the deletions were too unreasonable either—perhaps a tad overzealous. Overall I think the LW mods have been quite just regarding me, though some of the normal users have been a bit crazy, and I’m glad those users aren’t mods.
more generally anyone who’s ever had negative last-30-days karma.
Beware edge cases! By this criterion, E.Y. could go on math-crunch-camp / hiatus and then make a single comment after 30 days that isn’t too well received, and instantly be considered troll.
Not really an objection to the main point, though. Just felt like mentioning.
(Anyway, if there was widespread common knowledge among non-trolls that anyone with negative last-30-days karma will be labelled as Evil and may be punished with a dust speck in the eye every day for 3^^^3 days, then whenever someone came back from a 30-day leave they would make a comment in the latest
Group Rationality Diary thread explaining what they had been up to, and get enough positive karma to prevent ending up net negative for moderately disagreed-with comments.)
Will_Newsome, eridu, and more generally anyone who’s ever had negative last-30-days karma.
Didn’t Will_Newsome say several times that he was trolling and post material designed to get downvoted? Not sure that’s quite a comparison to eridu.
(To give a recent example, we banned a user from
#lesswrongfor mailbombing with porn sites another user; they did this partially because they were offended and partially to get themselves banned and stop spending time there. The ban is perfectly justified, yet I would not have called them a troll before or after.)Yes, he did. No, I wasn’t comparing them to each other, but it is the case that unlike eridu or Dmytry, Will_Newsome did not trigger the “since he posted lots of trollish comments, let’s delete reasonable comments by him as well” reaction in the mods, as far as I can remember.
I’ve had a few comments deleted that I thought weren’t egregiously unreasonable but were “provocative” and minimally substantive. I don’t think the deletions were too unreasonable either—perhaps a tad overzealous. Overall I think the LW mods have been quite just regarding me, though some of the normal users have been a bit crazy, and I’m glad those users aren’t mods.
Peterdjones, too, if I’m not mistaken.
Beware edge cases! By this criterion, E.Y. could go on math-crunch-camp / hiatus and then make a single comment after 30 days that isn’t too well received, and instantly be considered troll.
Not really an objection to the main point, though. Just felt like mentioning.
I was just reporting the criterion that I had heard EY was using; I wasn’t endorsing it.
Oh, thanks for clarifying.
(Anyway, if there was widespread common knowledge among non-trolls that anyone with negative last-30-days karma will be labelled as Evil and may be punished with a dust speck in the eye every day for 3^^^3 days, then whenever someone came back from a 30-day leave they would make a comment in the latest Group Rationality Diary thread explaining what they had been up to, and get enough positive karma to prevent ending up net negative for moderately disagreed-with comments.)