Okay, look. When you say “where’s the choice?” I can only understand your question as saying “where’s the decision process?” The answer is that the decision process happens physically in your brain.
That’s not what I mean. I mean that any deterministic process can be divided into stages,such that stage 1 “contriols” stage 2 and so on. But because it is deterministic every probabiity is 1. But choice is choice
between options. Where are the other options, the things you could have done but didn’t?
But choice is choice between options. Where are the other options, the things you could have done but didn’t?
You have subjective uncertainty about what you will do, so you know only of a set of hypothetical actions, given by descriptions that you can use. Even though only one of these will actually take place, your decision algorithm is working with the whole set, it can’t work with the actual action in particular, because it doesn’t know what it is. So in one sense, “options” may refer to this element of the decision algorithm.
The decision process is a selection between modelled actions and between modelled futures—it isn’t making a selection between actual physical futures, one real and others not.
e.g. If I decide to step forward, but just before I do so, someone pulls me back; my choice was equally real even if I failed to actualize it against my will; my decision process concluded.
Indeed if I’m insane and make a choice to flap my wings and fly, my decision process is still real even if the action I decide to take is physically impossible and my model of my available options is horribly flawed.
So, the “other options”, same as the option you pick, they’re all representations encoded in your brain, and physically real at that level.
Please post this question in direct response to the comment where I called the indterministic model incoherent, in order to have a cleaner structure in the discussion.
That’s not what I mean. I mean that any deterministic process can be divided into stages,such that stage 1 “contriols” stage 2 and so on. But because it is deterministic every probabiity is 1. But choice is choice between options. Where are the other options, the things you could have done but didn’t?
You have subjective uncertainty about what you will do, so you know only of a set of hypothetical actions, given by descriptions that you can use. Even though only one of these will actually take place, your decision algorithm is working with the whole set, it can’t work with the actual action in particular, because it doesn’t know what it is. So in one sense, “options” may refer to this element of the decision algorithm.
The decision process is a selection between modelled actions and between modelled futures—it isn’t making a selection between actual physical futures, one real and others not.
e.g. If I decide to step forward, but just before I do so, someone pulls me back; my choice was equally real even if I failed to actualize it against my will; my decision process concluded.
Indeed if I’m insane and make a choice to flap my wings and fly, my decision process is still real even if the action I decide to take is physically impossible and my model of my available options is horribly flawed.
So, the “other options”, same as the option you pick, they’re all representations encoded in your brain, and physically real at that level.
Thats a description of the deterministic model. Where;s the argument that the indterministic model is incoherent?
Please post this question in direct response to the comment where I called the indterministic model incoherent, in order to have a cleaner structure in the discussion.