Yes, obviously, but they use different strategies. Male sociopaths rarely paint themselves as helpless victims because it is not an effective tactic for men. One does notice that, while the LW community is mostly male, ~every successful callout post against a LW community organization has been built on claims of harm to vulnerable female victims.
Was that a particularly key part of the accusation? TBH, I completely forgot about that part of it. Is this just me? Do other people remember that aspect or did they forget it?
For me the key accusations were (a) he did a lot of smallish bad things and (b) he would repeatedly do something bad, be told that it was bad, apologize, say he’d “updated”, and then he’d keep doing the thing.
So I don’t think any of the object level harms in the post are “key”; it was how many there were and how he responded to feedback on them.
I didn’t remember it as key, but the highlights I’d cached about the whole affair (before rereading the post) were that he’d been astroturfing reviews and that he’d required unpaid ‘volunteer’ work from employees (well, and that employees had been doing some of the astroturfing, possibly on ‘volunteer’ time).
Well, I don’t actually know what “crybullying” or “sociosexuality” mean, but I definitely know that male sociopaths make use of reputation destruction.
Can confirm. I mean, different sociopaths use different strategies; there are probably many who survive on scams and physical violence alone. But once you e.g. get into politics, you probably have the skills and the motivation to do reputation attacks. And I just remembered two specific examples.
I think this just shows another weakness of the actual, real-world rationality culture we currently have—trying to bend the pursuit of truth so that it just happens to coincide with popular narratives.
Eliezer was really onto something when he wrote that future rationalists would live like monks and not partake in social status games …
This felt unnecessarily gendered to me. There are obviously masculine manipulative sociopaths.
Yes, obviously, but they use different strategies. Male sociopaths rarely paint themselves as helpless victims because it is not an effective tactic for men. One does notice that, while the LW community is mostly male, ~every successful callout post against a LW community organization has been built on claims of harm to vulnerable female victims.
An example of a post that wasn’t was Concerns with Intentional Insights, where most of the accusations were not about harming specific victims but for the ones that were (subverting Upwork’s minimum wage rules) the victims were mostly male.
Was that a particularly key part of the accusation? TBH, I completely forgot about that part of it. Is this just me? Do other people remember that aspect or did they forget it?
For me the key accusations were (a) he did a lot of smallish bad things and (b) he would repeatedly do something bad, be told that it was bad, apologize, say he’d “updated”, and then he’d keep doing the thing.
So I don’t think any of the object level harms in the post are “key”; it was how many there were and how he responded to feedback on them.
I didn’t remember it as key, but the highlights I’d cached about the whole affair (before rereading the post) were that he’d been astroturfing reviews and that he’d required unpaid ‘volunteer’ work from employees (well, and that employees had been doing some of the astroturfing, possibly on ‘volunteer’ time).
Well, I don’t actually know what “crybullying” or “sociosexuality” mean, but I definitely know that male sociopaths make use of reputation destruction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociosexuality
It’s a term in psychology.
Can confirm. I mean, different sociopaths use different strategies; there are probably many who survive on scams and physical violence alone. But once you e.g. get into politics, you probably have the skills and the motivation to do reputation attacks. And I just remembered two specific examples.
I think this just shows another weakness of the actual, real-world rationality culture we currently have—trying to bend the pursuit of truth so that it just happens to coincide with popular narratives.
Eliezer was really onto something when he wrote that future rationalists would live like monks and not partake in social status games …