”The further from shore, the deeper the ocean.”
(shore is pronounced like ’sure’)
Not sure if it fits this image but I liked this quote which was mentioned on EconTalk.
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One could frame this as a need for more media that is both yummy and true/useful. Since there is statistically so much yummy media that isn’t true/useful we might gain the (somewhat false) intuition that yummy is a good signal for not true/useful. But that’s how the world is now, not necessarily how it should be. Sam Rosen had a similar argument on the Clearer Thinking podcast (timestamp in the link): https://overcast.fm/+kgCChiF9A/1:29:39
Products and content can be designed without the effect of addicting you, without making you a lotus eater (https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/KwdcMts8P8hacqwrX/noticing-the-taste-of-lotus).
Glad you liked it! 🙂 Yeah, I love it when they add instrumental versions 😃
What a great song! 😃 Thanks for recommending!
Well if you like groove, here’s a little playlist I put together of groovy goodies https://music.apple.com/se/playlist/groovy/pl.u-pRomsWXGVP0?l=en
I love ’Be Real’ by Rasmus Faber & Metaxas https://open.spotify.com/track/4PEbNdnFtpko90iC0W9I2u
Perfection is probably not possible to find, but for me this song ticks many important boxes:
Meaningful aesthetic lyrics (even fairly rationality aligned) without being too vague. E.g. ”I forgot what you need, you forgot how I feel, I just want to be real with you”,
Not too complicated harmonies so most people probably enjoy it without a trained ear, which makes it easier to recommend to many people.
Well produced, though timbre of the sounds is seldom perfect for everyone’s tastes.
Groovy yet relaxing.
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Curious to know what you think! 🙂
Thanks for your explanation from your search for tighter concepts! Also thanks for putting in the effort into making it yummy for us to read! 🙂
I’m very curious about understanding modeling better too! I’m wondering what you think about the REDCAPE (Reason, Explain, Design, Communicate, Act, Predict, Explore) classification of what models are useful for, from the book The Model Thinker. What other classifications have you found useful? 🙂
Course author has an upcoming book on the topic
About 8 years ago, as I was in the transition of updating from music education to psychology and computer science (thanks to Rationally Speaking and LessWrong ♥️ ), I tried to make music with higher utility for a while before I started prioritizing paths with more potential social impact. I mostly explored for good ideas so most tunes are not fully formed yet. Also, I didn’t polish them to a releasable quality, but now that I got distance from it I thought that maybe somebody here would enjoy some of the more promising attempts. 🙂
♫ Tailwind Tale (<5min) (symphony orchestra) - No lyrics, I tried to capture the feeling of fruitful exploration.
♫ We don’t know (30sec) - Explore to cope with reality and update motivation to have less self-deception.
♫ Sip of Hair (<2min)- Reduce againstness (CFAR), take “outside view” and support each other to grow.
♫ WOOP (1min) (Wish outcome obstacle plan) - Implementation intentions (CFAR TAPs) and mental contrasting.
♫ Growth (5min) ( mix: more symphony orchestra, sheet music) - Growth mindset and other LessWrong ideas.
Each tune has lyrics and some more designer notes in the dropbox comments if you’re interested in that.
Feel free to give any feedback on better and worse parts. I might spend some free time polishing and updating some songs if somebody would appreciate it.
Playlist (YouTube, Apple Music) of tunes from various genres with mostly reasonable lyrics, but as you say one might need to steel woman & make some creative interpretation to make the connection clear. There are better ways to boost motivation, but listening to these songs for a while serves as a complementary source of motivation on days when I need it. 🙂
Some sneak peeks:
The tune ‘Be Real’ has lyrics “Sometimes I doubt the words you say. I forgot what you need, you forgot what I feel, I just want to be real with you.” - Scout Mindset, Seeking sensibility (CFAR)
‘Brave’ e.g. the clever lyric “show me, how big your brave is” (a pun on brain 😉) which I relate to Scout Mindset since it is brave to have a process of leaning into confusion and do comfort zone expansion.
‘Daydreaming’ e.g. “Dreamers they never learn … we are just happy to serve you”—Service Orientation
‘Stronger’ e.g. “I want to be strong for you”—Grow because you have Something to protect
‘Grow as we Go’ e.g. “I am unfinished, I’ve got so much left to learn … but I’d like some company through every twist and turn” - Test yourself in fire, with self-compassion and compassionate support.
‘Both Sides Now’ e.g. “they shake their heads and tell me I’ve changed. Well something is lost, and something is gained”—Change, ditch the word “hypocrite”
‘Golf on TV’ e.g. “some people think it’s supposed to hurt, like it couldn’t be real if it is putting you first”—Bucket Errors, decoupling.
‘Come Alive’ e.g. “take a world and redefine it, leave behind your narrow mind, you’ll never be the same”—Reduce bias, original sight, update.
‘A million dreams’ e.g. “I think of what the world could be, a vision of the one I see … run away to a world that we design”—World modeling
‘What if’ e.g. “How do I know a wish should stay a wish?” - Prioritizing
‘Doin’ it right’ because “doing it right … feeling it right”. - Instrumentally, feeling/motivation with less self-deception.
‘Might Quit’ e.g. “It’s the first day of school and I think I might quit, because the things I’ve been seeing here don’t make sense.”—The case against education, the elephant in the brain.
‘Don’t Give Up’ e.g. “Don’t give up, you know it’s never been easy … because I believe there is a place where we belong’ - Self-efficacy, belonging to community.
These books come to mind, and might interest you:
Wired to Create—https://scottbarrykaufman.com/books/wired-to-create/
Problem Solving: Perspectives from Cognition and Neuroscience—https://www.amazon.com/Problem-Solving-Perspectives-Cognition-Neuroscience-ebook/dp/B01N03PCGH/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Problem+Solving.+Perspectives+from+Cognition+and+Neuroscience&qid=1627400134&s=digital-text&sr=1-1
(Sorry about long links, was on mobile and couldn’t find way to make labeled links 🙁 )
You might like https://museapp.com/podcast/
I think you’re onto something. A scout mindset alternative way to frame this issue was done by Spencer Greenberg at the end of this episode, which might help. https://overcast.fm/+kgCDP0iz4/1:03:25
tl;dr Encourage the good parts of creative ideas and be supportive, instead of only shooting down creative ideas. Yet encourage the person to have a scout mindset, so they learn more effectively.
Some of it might be expectations. In my experience people are often not comfortable showing projects that are not sufficiently done yet, perhaps because the system is set up for signaling your 🎒backpack. Hence, people expect posts to be about finished or already succesful projects. Yet, it is tremendously useful for creative people to get thoughtful feedback, even if they havn’t made a name for themselves yet. I haven’t thought through all the implications for this but intuitively I think I want to encourage that, although I might be self-serving since I too do creative work. Still, showing the process of creative work for others to get inspired by might increase self-efficacy in the community, which seems rather important! I say thanks for showing the virtue of courage and inspiring me! As long as we also try to regularly calibrate, it’s probably good.
Maybe Less Wrong should differentiate between downvote and ”Show me less of this”, like e.g. YouTube.
Best wishes for your project! 🙂
World Modeling
Uncertainty from Vast Space of Possibilities
Collective Curiosity
What Miss Mitchell Saw by Hayley Barrett
Security to Grow
Curiosity
Also, I’d recommend thinking about learning in terms of the principles at Sparkwave’s 10 Conditions for Change. How to set up a design that aid oneself to actually do these demanding but effective learning behaviours, is key.
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