The microbiome is one of the newest branch of science in human health. There are some phenomenal preliminary reports that much of our health is influenced by our microbiome, but it hasn’t yet reached wide social recognition in the US. You’re not missing anything; you’re on the bleeding edge of medical science.
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So if you had 10,000 dollars, you would buy all 10,000 lottery tickets to win the grand prize of $9,900?
Whenever you’re investing you always want to use compound interest. $10,000 invested would give you a grand total of $43,219 after 30 years with 5% yearly compound interest.
https://www.investor.gov/financial-tools-calculators/calculators/compound-interest-calculator
Finally there is an increased marginal utility the less money you have, not more. So when you have $0, each additional dollar gives a large marginal utility; whereas when you have $10,000 each additional dollar gives a smaller marginal utility. When you’re poor each dollar goes a long way. So in your scenario people are doubly worse off: money is being siphoned off at a %1 rate every day; there is no compound interest; and the 9,999 people have lost greater marginal utility than the 1 person who won $10,000.
You should always be looking for ways to maximize the return on your investment. If you spend a dollar, you’ll want to receive one dollar or more of value. Buying a dollar lottery ticket returns less than a dollar of value.
It seems Kohlberg is primarily concerned with moral/cultural behaviour, what an individual may think is the right thing to do. Undeniably the desire to follow the group is strong. What is the relevance in the context of teaching rationality and scientific skepticism? No doubt, if your local environment teaches that science and rationality are weird and strange, and you’re a nerd for attempting it learn it, there exists social pressure against learning science. But I still can’t escape the fact that the great majority of people are attempting science and rationality in their daily lives, though with much less precision. The status quo can increase the barrier of entry for certain sects of knowledge, but people are still learning in their daily lives through their failures and experiences. I don’t see the relevance of a study on group based(tribe/political) thinking in the endeavour of trying to teach science and rationality; in effect trying to teach science and rationality is just trying to change the status quo of the group.
I think part of the difficulty I have in understanding your post is the distinction between active and passive systems, and it’s why I linked the article on emergence. No matter which way I think about it, I can’t disentangle a living (organic) system from its surrounding environment. It’s why I posed the question of what distinguishes living systems and non-living systems; when I look deep enough I still see the same fundamental rules of physics applied in each instance.
Under this view that all matter, living and non-living is indistinguishable and each running under the same laws of physics, purposefulness and purposelessness do not appear anywhere in these systems. Living objects can be regarded as atomic components moving and interacting in very interesting ways. So I cannot distinguish between purposefulness and purposelessness. Colloquially, of course, I know what you mean. You are talking about the behaviour of living organisms; but on a deeper inspection I can’t find purposefulness.
Is the argument you’re making that there are localized areas of space that possess lower levels of entropy, and that living systems can be generalized as simply lowering the entropy in an area of space?
What data? Where is the evidence? Where is your evidence that your model actually coincides and explains reality? At least Sagan was on the front line of his work; he actually worked with children, he spoke to people, he had direct and personal experience with trying to teach science and rationality. That’s very strong evidence. Is your evidence stronger than Sagans, Feynmans, Dawkins, and Hawkins?
But your original post implied a sort of scientific nihilism.
>That is, no matter what I believe about the world, it will always be just the way it is regardless of how I feel about it or how I want it to be.
Your beliefs affect your actions, even if it’s so small that it’s hard to register. Being a skeptic in anything may make your face contort in such a way that it resembles incredulity; changing how others view the topic and how the talker responds to you. I think what you really mean is that you have better understood the order of magnitude that your beliefs have on the world. Where previously, you may have believed that thinking something will have great affect on the world, you now realize that thinking something will have a small, but still existent, effect on the world.
Again, what is the difference between living things and non-living things from a first principles physics perspective. At which point do atoms and molecules become “living”? At which point do atoms and molecules acquire purpose?
I understand that we use words like living and purpose to denote large movements of atoms moving in complex and interesting ways. But at no point along the way does something acquire “livingness” or “purposeness” or “spirit” or “elan vital” or “emergence” (see Eliezer Yudkowsky on emergence). If we’re going to try to understand the behaviour of organisms it’s necessary to see that the behaviour of organisms is just trillions of atoms and molecules behaving in very interesting ways.
A meta-productivity system would be using a productivity system to find and explore productivity systems. I don’t think that works by the nature of what a productivity system is. Fundamentally, you’re always trying to be more productive. That is your ultimate goal. Trying out new methods and ways of thinking is beneficial to your future productivity, because you may find something that works better for you, and so you implement it. But you never really lose the “trying out new methods and ways of thinking” part; that’s just necessary for progress.
Sure, I will grant that, in certain extreme examples where a person’s specific genome makes them much more anxious and much more depressed, then maybe some unscientific beliefs may improve their day-to-day functioning. But I think overwhelmingly this is not the case, and that while people may suffer from anxiety stress and depression, a greater understanding of reality can help you resolve those problems.
Overwhelmingly, people are born with a knack for science. The natural curiosity of children to explore, touch, smell, taste, and feel are fundamental to scientific inquiry and exploration. Children also possess the same knack for rationality as we do. When a child falls and scrapes himself while running downhill, he learns not to run downhill because he may fall and hurt himself again. He is being a rational agent: he is using prior experience to make predictions for future events. I do not believe that certain people are not “ready for science”; people are born scientists, all use evidence and predictive reasoning in our day to day lives. They are not rigorous scientists and rationalists, but they are scientific and they are rational.
In light of humanities natural curiosity and capacity for rationality; it is unnecessary (or only marginally helpful) to create large and complicated “groupthinks” to persuade people to more rigorous thinking. The best way forward is through honesty (making room for some Noble Lies), and to spark that natural curiosity and wonder that we each have.
Source: https://www.amazon.com/Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle-Dark/dp/0345409469
There is a distinction between joining a group for the sake of joining a group and acquiring status, and joining a group because it offers you companionship, friendly competition, and entertainment. The feeling of status and of being a high-ranking person is a good feeling, most people feel this way. I don’t think the question is whether this feeling is good or bad, whether we should feel this way at all; it’s a question of time. How much time will it take to acquire that status? Is there a better way you can invest your time? If joining an in-group gives you the highest return on your invested time, accounting for all the risks (like being spontaneously ejected), then go for it. It’s up to each individual to decide which set of actions has the highest “emotional” return, that really depends on their unique personal history and genetics.
Having faith is a religious virtue, it’s not a virtue in science. As a scientist, all your beliefs should be conditional and updated on new evidence; there is no place for blind faith. Even deferring to authority is a conditional action: you are deferring your beliefs because you believe the authority to be more competent or knowledgeable because you have a lot of prior experience of them being a competent leader. If your authority suddenly becomes incredibly incompetent, it’s time to update, and decide whether you’ll defer the next time.
That is, no matter what I believe about the world, it will always be just the way it is regardless of how I feel about it or how I want it to be.
So individual humans have no appreciable affect on the world?
You are suggesting a productivity system. You have systematically tried various productivity systems over the years, and you’ve finally found one that works for you. Suggesting that someone think a certain way, or not think a certain way to increase their productivity is a productivity system.
Fundamentally, from the perspective of physics, what is the difference between animate matter and inanimate matter? Living things/non-living things? At which point does a non-living thing become a living thing?
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/8QzZKw9WHRxjR4948/the-futility-of-emergence
My approach to solving productivity/motivation/energy problems is to focus on variables with the greatest weight. The big three are diet, sleep, and exercise; so if I’m experiencing slowdowns the first thing I do is make sure those three variables are in good shape. Then I work down the list of variables with descending weight: stress, loneliness, boredom, etc., your variables may vary. Sure there is a difference between taking 1000mg and 2500mg of Vitamin C a day; but it’s not statistically relevant (unless you have some serious health issues, like scurvy).
So you’re arguing that, in times of great need that require split second decisions and fast action, theological belief can be beneficial. Maybe. Believing there is some ultimate closure or purpose to your existence and to the conflict you’re currently dealing with could reduce your levels of stress, maybe increasing your cognitive abilities. It could also be detrimental if you believe there is some afterlife and that, in the end, you’ll all be okay, and so you perform worse. Trying to convince someone that god isn’t real or there isn’t an afterlife in a foxhole is obviously not the right time; you have more important things to think about and the arguments for scientific skepticism are long and can take long to explain. Poverty is not a case that requires split second decisions; it’s a chronic condition. Scientific literacy and rationality increase the probability your actions will be successful and offer you the highest chance of escaping poverty. The same can be said for moments of intense conflict requiring quick action; having better models of reality increase your chance of success.
Is there any evidence that cryogenics preserves the structure and cells of the brain?
I don’t understand your post. Why are memetic tribes relevant to the discussion of potential existential risks; which is the basis of the original post? Is your argument that all communities have some sort of shared existential threat, that is contradictory to the other existential threats of other communities? It seems to me the point of a rationalist community should be to find the greatest existential threats and focus on finding solutions.
There are usually spots available south of Berkeley campus; along the streets that go North/South. Ellsworth, Dana, and Fulton street are my go-to; and it’s good to check the streets that intersect them. Here’s an example address of what I mean: 2339 Ellsworth St, Berkeley, CA 94704. From there its a 10 min walk to the Life Sciences building.