I’m Jérémy Perret. Based in France. PhD in AI (NLP). AI Safety & EA meetup organizer. Information sponge. Mostly lurking since 2014. Seeking more experience, and eventually a position, in AI safety/governance.
Extremely annoyed by the lack of an explorable framework for AI risk/benefits. Working on that.
The post makes clear that two very different models of the world will lead to very different action steps, and the “average” of those steps isn’t what follows the average of probabilities. See how the previous sentence felt awkward and technical, compared to the story? Sure, it’s much longer, but the point gets across better, that’s the value. I have added this story to my collection of useful parables.
Re-reading it, the language remains technical, one needs to understand a bit more probability theory to get the latter parts. I would like to see a retelling of the story, same points, different style, to test if it speaks to a different audience.
I filled out the survey. Thank you so much for running this!
Oh, glad I scrolled to find this comment. Adding a request for France, which does have charity tax deductions… but needs an appropriate receipt.
Could you provide an example of prediction the Γ Framework makes which highlights the divergence between it and the Standard Model? Especially in cases the Standard Model falls short of describing reality well enough?
Best weekend of the year. Been there in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2023, will be delighted to attend again. Consistent source of excellent discussions, assorted activities, fun and snacks. Does indeed feel like home.
Welcome! One gateway for you might be the LW Concepts page about it!
Most of the posts discuss, of course, infohazard policy and properties of information that would be harmful to know, or think about. Directly sharing blatantly harmful information would be irresponsible.
My raw and mostly confused/snarky comments as I was going through the paper can be found here (third section).
Cleaner version: this is not a technical agenda. This is not something that would elicit interesting research questions from a technical alignment researcher. There are however interesting claims:
what a safe system ought to be like; it proposes three scales describing its reliability;
how far up the scales we should aim for at minimum;
how low on the scales currently large deployed models are.
While it positions a variety of technical agendas (mainly those of the co-authors) on the scales, the paper does not advocate for a particular approach, only the broad direction of “here are the properties we would like to have”. Uncharitably, it’s a reformulation of the problem.
The scales can be useful to compare the agenda that belong to the “let’s prove that the system adheres to this specification” family. It makes no claims over what the specification entails, nor failure modes of various (combinations of) levels.
I appreciate this paper as a gateway to the related agendas and relevant literature, but I’m not enthusiastic about it.
Typo: Mira Murati, not Mutari.
Here’s a spreadsheet version you can copy. Fill your answers in the “answers” tab, make your screenshot from the “view” tab.
I plan to add more functionality to this (especially comparison mode, as I collect some answers found on the Internet). You can now compare between recorded answers! Including yours, if you have filled them!
I will attempt to collect existing answers, from X and LW/EA comments.
Survey complete! I enjoyed the new questions, this should bring about some pretty graphs. Thank you for coordinating this.
I am producing videos in French (new batch in progress) on my main channel, Suboptimal.
But I also have a side channel in English, Suboptimal Voice, where I do readings of rationalist-sphere content. Some may appear in the future, I received requests for dramatic readings.
The Mindcrime tag might be relevant here! More specific than both concepts you mentioned, though. Which posts discussing them were you alluding to? Might be an opportunity to create an extra tag.
(also, yes, this in an Open Thread, your comment is in the right place)
Strongly upvoted for the clear write-up, thank you for that, and engagement with a potentially neglected issue.
Following your post I’d distinguish two issues:
(a) Lack of data privacy enabling a powerful future agent to target/manipulate you personally, because your data is just there for the taking, stored in not-so-well-protected databases, cross-reference is easier at higher capability levels, singling you out and fine-tuning a behavioral model on you in particular isn’t hard ;
(b) Lack of data privacy enabling a powerful future agent to build that generic behavioral model of humans from the thousands/millions of well-documented examples from people who aren’t particularly bothered by privacy, from the same databases as above, plus simply (semi-)public social media records.
From your deception examples we already have strong evidence that (b) is possible. LLM capabilities will get better, and it will get worse when [redacted plausible scenario because my infohazard policies are ringing].
In (b) comes to pass, I would argue that the marginal effort needed to prevent (a) would only be useful to prevent certain whole coordinated groups of people (who should already be infosec-aware) to be manipulated. Rephrased: there’s already a ton of epistemic failures all over the place but maybe there can be pockets of sanity linked to critical assets.
I may be missing something as well. Also seconding the Seed webtoon recommendation.
Quick review of the review, this could indeed make a very good top-level post.
No need to apologize, I’m usually late as well!
I don’t think there is a great answer to “What is the most comprehensive repository of resources on the work being done in AI Safety?”
There is no great answer, but I am compelled to list some of the few I know of (that I wanted to update my Resources post with) :
Vael Gates’s transcripts, which attempts to cover multiple views but, by the nature of conversations, aren’t very legible;
The Stampy project to build a comprehensive AGI safety FAQ, and to go beyond questions only, they do need motivated people;
Issa Rice’s AI Watch, which is definitely stuck in a corner of the Internet, if I didn’t work with Issa I would never have discovered it, lots of data about orgs, people and labs, not much context.
Other mapping resources involve not the work being done but arguments and scenarios, as an example there’s Lukas Trötzmüller’s excellent argument compilation, but that wouldn’t exactly help someone get into the field faster.
Just in case you don’t know about it there’s the AI alignment field-building tag on LW, which mentions an initiative run by plex, who also coordinates Stampy.
I’d be interested in reviewing stuff, yes, time permitting!
Answers in order: there is none, there were, there are none yet.
(Context starts, feel free to skip, this is the first time I can share this story)
After posting this, I was contacted by Richard Mallah, who (if memory serves right) created the map, compiled the references and wrote most of the text in 2017, to help with the next iteration of the map. The goal was to build a Body of Knowledge for AI Safety, including AGI topics but also more current-capabilities ML Safety methods.
This was going to happen in conjunction with the contributions of many academic & industry stakeholders, under the umbrella of CLAIS (Consortium on the Landscape of AI Safety), mentioned here.
There were design documents for the interactivity of the resource, and I volunteered Back in 2020 I had severely overestimated both my web development skills and ability to work during a lockdown, never published a prototype interface, and for unrelated reasons the CLAIS project… winded down.
(End of context)
I do not remember Richard mentioning a review of the map contents, apart from the feedback he received back when he wrote them. The map has been a bit tucked in a corner of the Internet for a while now.
The plans to update/expand it failed as far as I can tell. There is no new version and I’m not aware of any new plans to create one. I stopped working on this in April 2021.
There is no current map with this level of interactivity and visualization, but there has been a number of initiatives trying to be more comprehensive and up-to-date!
I second this, and expansions of these ideas.
Thank you, that is clearer!
Hi! Nearly all the statements in your question would benefit from some unpacking. Could you expand on what would count as coddling? My intuition says you’re gesturing at a whole heap of trade-offs, it might help to pick one in particular and study it further. Any proper answer to the question, as stated, is the stuff of entire books.