I’m not saying it would solve everything, I’m saying it would be a way to test significant aspects of AI without destroying the world, including significant aspects of their morality. It’s not a “do this magic and morality for AI is solved” as much as a “this doable step helps parts of AI design, probably including preventing the worst classes of paperclip-maximization”.
Yup, maybe. But don’t you think it’s likely that the values we want to impart to an AI are going to be ones that come out really radically differently for a universe without us in it? For instance, we might want the AI to serve us, which of course isn’t even a concept that makes sense if it’s in a simulated universe without us. Or we might want it to value all intelligent life, which is a thing that looks very different if the AI is the only intelligent life in its universe. So: yes, I agree that running the AI in a simulated world might tell us some useful things, but it doesn’t look to me as if the things it could tell us a lot about overlap very much with the things we care most about.
First of all, there is the general problem of ‘does this AI work?’ This includes the general intelligence/rationality-related problems, but possibly also other problems, such as whether it will wirehead itself (whether a box can test that really depends a lot on the implementation).
The morality-stuff is tricky and depends on a lot of stuff, especially on how the AI is implemented. It seems to dangerous to let it play a multiplayer game with humans, even with most restrictions I can think of. However, how to test the morality really depends on how its human-detection system has been implemented. If it just uses some ‘humans generally do these stupid things’ heuristics, you can just plop down a few NPCs. If it uses somewhat smarter heuristics, you might be able to make some animals play the game and let the AI care for them. If it picks something intelligent, you might be able to instantiate other copies of the AI with vastly different utility functions. Basically, there are a lot of approaches to testing morality, but it depends on how the AI is implemented.
I’m not saying it would solve everything, I’m saying it would be a way to test significant aspects of AI without destroying the world, including significant aspects of their morality. It’s not a “do this magic and morality for AI is solved” as much as a “this doable step helps parts of AI design, probably including preventing the worst classes of paperclip-maximization”.
Yup, maybe. But don’t you think it’s likely that the values we want to impart to an AI are going to be ones that come out really radically differently for a universe without us in it? For instance, we might want the AI to serve us, which of course isn’t even a concept that makes sense if it’s in a simulated universe without us. Or we might want it to value all intelligent life, which is a thing that looks very different if the AI is the only intelligent life in its universe. So: yes, I agree that running the AI in a simulated world might tell us some useful things, but it doesn’t look to me as if the things it could tell us a lot about overlap very much with the things we care most about.
It would actually tell us a lot of useful things.
First of all, there is the general problem of ‘does this AI work?’ This includes the general intelligence/rationality-related problems, but possibly also other problems, such as whether it will wirehead itself (whether a box can test that really depends a lot on the implementation).
The morality-stuff is tricky and depends on a lot of stuff, especially on how the AI is implemented. It seems to dangerous to let it play a multiplayer game with humans, even with most restrictions I can think of. However, how to test the morality really depends on how its human-detection system has been implemented. If it just uses some ‘humans generally do these stupid things’ heuristics, you can just plop down a few NPCs. If it uses somewhat smarter heuristics, you might be able to make some animals play the game and let the AI care for them. If it picks something intelligent, you might be able to instantiate other copies of the AI with vastly different utility functions. Basically, there are a lot of approaches to testing morality, but it depends on how the AI is implemented.