I don’t think you understood Phil’s comment. Thermodynamics does not dictate it takes more energy to produce some fuel than is contained in the fuel. Producing fuel is energetically inexpensive—if you have sufficiently concentrated precursors.
Thermodynamics does not dictate it takes more energy to produce some fuel than is contained in the fuel.
Yes, it does. Second law. You need all of the energy that the fuel will store, plus more to run the process that creates it.
Either you’re producing lower-energy fuel from higher-energy fuel, or you’re taking base constituents and available energy and synthesizing a higher-energy configuration.
Yes, it does. Second law. You need all of the energy that the fuel will store, plus more to run the process that creates it.
It’s conservation of energy, not second law.
Either you’re producing lower-energy fuel from higher-energy fuel, or you’re taking base constituents and available energy and synthesizing a higher-energy configuration.
High-energy fuel is simply fuel that allows to restore more energy per unit of weight. Take more low-energy fuel and convert it into less high-energy fuel.
I still don’t think you understood Phil’s comment.
Presumably, you won’t be able to make sense of this either:
“In addition, production of ethanol is energy efficient, in that it yields nearly 25 percent more energy than is used in growing the corn, harvesting it, and distilling it into ethanol.”
The problem appears to be that you are incorrectly imagining that the other people in the discussion are trying to account for factors such as sunlight.
I don’t think you understood Phil’s comment. Thermodynamics does not dictate it takes more energy to produce some fuel than is contained in the fuel. Producing fuel is energetically inexpensive—if you have sufficiently concentrated precursors.
Yes, it does. Second law. You need all of the energy that the fuel will store, plus more to run the process that creates it.
Either you’re producing lower-energy fuel from higher-energy fuel, or you’re taking base constituents and available energy and synthesizing a higher-energy configuration.
It’s conservation of energy, not second law.
High-energy fuel is simply fuel that allows to restore more energy per unit of weight. Take more low-energy fuel and convert it into less high-energy fuel.
I still don’t think you understood Phil’s comment.
Presumably, you won’t be able to make sense of this either:
“In addition, production of ethanol is energy efficient, in that it yields nearly 25 percent more energy than is used in growing the corn, harvesting it, and distilling it into ethanol.”
http://www.ethanol-gec.org/corn_eth.htm
The problem appears to be that you are incorrectly imagining that the other people in the discussion are trying to account for factors such as sunlight.