I think the answer to your question may be no. I’ve thought on my original post some more and realised that I made a mistake in number (8), one cannot signal poor social skills since signalling is a social skill (it serves no other purpose), a person who cannot signal optimally is a person with poor social skills.
So if a tendency towards telling the truth disrupts a person’s ability to signal optimally, then rationality and popularity must forever remain opposed, since in order to be rational you must give up your ability to signal popular, false beliefs. Even if we say that “rationalism” is only believing the truth—you can lie if you want to—your ability to signal is still disrupted, since the most effective way to signal is to sincerely believe what you’re saying
I’d re-address point 8 by saying that a women is rewarded socially for subverting her own beliefs at the expense of those of her social group.
She is actively punished if she steps away form group-norms (eg by pointing out errors in the groupthink or common misconceptions) - starting by getting a “boy you’re weird” look, glances amongst the others to indicate that “they all think you’re weird” and other social pressures.
If you persist, this can go to the “polite pulling aside”—where usually one of the women will explain to you that you are being disruptive (usually by couching it in “we’re really concerned for you” language)… and then on to hostility, usually involving a heavy dose of “you’re not respecting our opinions”… finally to shunning/ostracism from the group.
Women learn pretty quick that you either put up or shut up… and that if you “don’t have anything nice to say, then don’t say it at all”.
The exceptions I’ve found are mainly amongst girl-geeks, SF-fandom and the other usual haunts no doubt familiar to all here… which also are nearly always predominantly male.
I think the answer to your question may be no. I’ve thought on my original post some more and realised that I made a mistake in number (8), one cannot signal poor social skills since signalling is a social skill (it serves no other purpose), a person who cannot signal optimally is a person with poor social skills.
So if a tendency towards telling the truth disrupts a person’s ability to signal optimally, then rationality and popularity must forever remain opposed, since in order to be rational you must give up your ability to signal popular, false beliefs. Even if we say that “rationalism” is only believing the truth—you can lie if you want to—your ability to signal is still disrupted, since the most effective way to signal is to sincerely believe what you’re saying
I’d re-address point 8 by saying that a women is rewarded socially for subverting her own beliefs at the expense of those of her social group.
She is actively punished if she steps away form group-norms (eg by pointing out errors in the groupthink or common misconceptions) - starting by getting a “boy you’re weird” look, glances amongst the others to indicate that “they all think you’re weird” and other social pressures.
If you persist, this can go to the “polite pulling aside”—where usually one of the women will explain to you that you are being disruptive (usually by couching it in “we’re really concerned for you” language)… and then on to hostility, usually involving a heavy dose of “you’re not respecting our opinions”… finally to shunning/ostracism from the group.
Women learn pretty quick that you either put up or shut up… and that if you “don’t have anything nice to say, then don’t say it at all”.
The exceptions I’ve found are mainly amongst girl-geeks, SF-fandom and the other usual haunts no doubt familiar to all here… which also are nearly always predominantly male.