Agree strongly with this decomposition of integrity. They’re definitely different (although correlated) things.
My biggest disagreement with this model is that the first form (structurally integrated models) seems to me to be something broader? Something like, you have structurally integrated models of how things work and what matters to you, and take the actions suggested by the models to achieve what matters to you based on how things work?
Need to think through this in more detail. One can have what one might call integrity of thought without what one might call integrity of action based on that thought—you have the models, but others/you can’t count on you to act on them. And you can have integrity of action without integrity of thought, in the sense that you can be counted on to perform certain actions in certain circumstances, without integrity of thought, in which case you’ll do them whether or not it makes any sense, but you can at least be counted on. Or you can have both.
And I agree you have to split integrity of action into keeping promises when you make them slash following one’s own code, and keeping to the rules of the system slash following others’ codes, especially codes that determine what is blameworthy. To me, that third special case isn’t integrity. It’s often a good thing, but it’s a different thing—it counts as integrity if and only if one is following those rules because of one’s own code saying one should follow the outside code. We can debate under what circumstances that is or isn’t the right code, and should.
So I think for now I have it as Integrity-1 (Integrity of Thought) and Integrity-2 (Integrity of Action), and a kind of False-Integrity-3 (Integrity of Blamelessness) that is worth having a name for, and tracking who has and doesn’t have it in what circumstances to what extent, like the other two, but isn’t obviously something it’s better to increase than decrease by default. Whereas Integrity-1 is by default to be increased, as is Integrity-2, and if you disagree with that, this implies to me there’s a conflict causing you to want others to be less effective, or you’re otherwise trying to do extraction or be zero sum.
It seems to me that integrity of thought is actually quite a lot easier if it constrains the kind of anticipations that authentically and intuitively affect actions. Actions can still diverge from beliefs if someone with integrity of thought gets distracted enough to drop into a stereotyped habit (e.g. if I’m a bit checked out while driving and end up at a location I’m used to going to instead of the one I need to be at) or is motivated to deceive (e.g. corvids that think carefully about how to hide their food from other corvids).
The kind of belief-action split we’re used to seeing, I think, involves a school-broken sort of “believing” that’s integrated with the structures that are needed to give coherent answers on tests, but severed from thinking about one’s actual environment and interests.
The most important thing I did for my health in the last few years was healing this split.
Agree strongly with this decomposition of integrity. They’re definitely different (although correlated) things.
My biggest disagreement with this model is that the first form (structurally integrated models) seems to me to be something broader? Something like, you have structurally integrated models of how things work and what matters to you, and take the actions suggested by the models to achieve what matters to you based on how things work?
Need to think through this in more detail. One can have what one might call integrity of thought without what one might call integrity of action based on that thought—you have the models, but others/you can’t count on you to act on them. And you can have integrity of action without integrity of thought, in the sense that you can be counted on to perform certain actions in certain circumstances, without integrity of thought, in which case you’ll do them whether or not it makes any sense, but you can at least be counted on. Or you can have both.
And I agree you have to split integrity of action into keeping promises when you make them slash following one’s own code, and keeping to the rules of the system slash following others’ codes, especially codes that determine what is blameworthy. To me, that third special case isn’t integrity. It’s often a good thing, but it’s a different thing—it counts as integrity if and only if one is following those rules because of one’s own code saying one should follow the outside code. We can debate under what circumstances that is or isn’t the right code, and should.
So I think for now I have it as Integrity-1 (Integrity of Thought) and Integrity-2 (Integrity of Action), and a kind of False-Integrity-3 (Integrity of Blamelessness) that is worth having a name for, and tracking who has and doesn’t have it in what circumstances to what extent, like the other two, but isn’t obviously something it’s better to increase than decrease by default. Whereas Integrity-1 is by default to be increased, as is Integrity-2, and if you disagree with that, this implies to me there’s a conflict causing you to want others to be less effective, or you’re otherwise trying to do extraction or be zero sum.
It seems to me that integrity of thought is actually quite a lot easier if it constrains the kind of anticipations that authentically and intuitively affect actions. Actions can still diverge from beliefs if someone with integrity of thought gets distracted enough to drop into a stereotyped habit (e.g. if I’m a bit checked out while driving and end up at a location I’m used to going to instead of the one I need to be at) or is motivated to deceive (e.g. corvids that think carefully about how to hide their food from other corvids).
The kind of belief-action split we’re used to seeing, I think, involves a school-broken sort of “believing” that’s integrated with the structures that are needed to give coherent answers on tests, but severed from thinking about one’s actual environment and interests.
The most important thing I did for my health in the last few years was healing this split.
False-Integrity-3 seems to me that it’s name could be Integrity of Innocence.