I cannot believe on a site supposedly devoted to rationality, you appear to be seriously discussing the English occultist, Qabalist, heroin addict, and “ceremonial sex magician.” Are you seriously suggesting we begin reading Tarot cards, and invoking angels with Egyptian names with “magic wands?” Forgive me, but Yvain, are you recruiting for the OTO here? This is crazy talk. I mean, seriously deranged. You are NOT accurately describing who Crowley was or what he believed.
I cannot believe in a comment supposedly devoted to rationality, you appear to be seriously dismissing someone based on the fact that they fact that they took drugs. Are you seriously suggesting we never look for any ideas that don’t originate in whatever in-group we’ve declared ourselves a part of? Forgive me, but crazytalk, are you recruiting for Evangelical Christians here? This is crazytalk. I mean, seriously reading a lot into one reference to a pretty reasonable essay. You are NOT accurately describing what Yvain said or what he advocates.
I suggest loql you read Liber 777 for yourself and then tell me how rational Crowley was. Clearly none of you have a real clue who he was or what he wrote. He was a first-class crackpot. Downvote me all you want, but that just says more about how off-base LW has become.
I’ve read a couple of his things and I know how insane he can be. I freely admit that he was an utter raving loony. I just happen to think this particular essay offers a plausible explanation of religious experience. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Have you read the essay? Do you disagree with it? Would you have objected to it if I’d published it under my own name?
Downvote me all you want, but that just says more about how off-base LW has become.
“Downvote me all you want” is just always a faux pas. “This place has gone way downhill” is rarely worth saying anywhere, and is additionally silly in so new a community as LW. I agree with you about Crowley (who I learned about due to sharing a surname with him) but please don’t reach for these cliches.
I cannot believe on a site supposedly devoted to rationality, you appear to be seriously discussing the English occultist, Qabalist, heroin addict, and “ceremonial sex magician.” Are you seriously suggesting we begin reading Tarot cards, and invoking angels with Egyptian names with “magic wands?” Forgive me, but Yvain, are you recruiting for the OTO here? This is crazy talk. I mean, seriously deranged. You are NOT accurately describing who Crowley was or what he believed.
I cannot believe in a comment supposedly devoted to rationality, you appear to be seriously dismissing someone based on the fact that they fact that they took drugs. Are you seriously suggesting we never look for any ideas that don’t originate in whatever in-group we’ve declared ourselves a part of? Forgive me, but crazytalk, are you recruiting for Evangelical Christians here? This is crazytalk. I mean, seriously reading a lot into one reference to a pretty reasonable essay. You are NOT accurately describing what Yvain said or what he advocates.
I suggest loql you read Liber 777 for yourself and then tell me how rational Crowley was. Clearly none of you have a real clue who he was or what he wrote. He was a first-class crackpot. Downvote me all you want, but that just says more about how off-base LW has become.
I’ve read a couple of his things and I know how insane he can be. I freely admit that he was an utter raving loony. I just happen to think this particular essay offers a plausible explanation of religious experience. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Have you read the essay? Do you disagree with it? Would you have objected to it if I’d published it under my own name?
I didn’t claim that Crowley was rational. This seems to be a trend in your commentary, along with a heavy reliance on ad hominem.
“Downvote me all you want” is just always a faux pas. “This place has gone way downhill” is rarely worth saying anywhere, and is additionally silly in so new a community as LW. I agree with you about Crowley (who I learned about due to sharing a surname with him) but please don’t reach for these cliches.