“Just because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?”
I do my work on my own time, and my attempts to be more productive are my own responsibility/own business. When I’m not working, I want to not work. It would be a more masochistic person than I who actually wanted her recreational websites to give her lectures about duty. I treat LW as an interesting discussion forum with smart people. What’s wrong with that?
I think the original poster assumes—and, in fact, says, at one point—that the purpose of Less Wrong is for self-improvement. To him, it is supposed to be work, and it is something he alleges to participate in during work time, and he is operating under the assumption that other people do the same. You’re not disagreeing about the conclusion, you’re disagreeing about the premise. Judging from similar comments, you’re not alone.
There’s nothing wrong with buying a couch, if you aren’t buying it from a “increase your health with exercise!” store, and you aren’t buying it out of your exercise budget and using it during your exercise time.
But the LW store claims to be about making people more instrumentally rational (ie productive), and a significant proportion of those I sampled agreed that by reading LW, they were mentally scratching their “be more rational” itch while decreasing their own productivity through being distracted by LW.
So while nothing is wrong with having fun on fun time (I had so much fun in college that my name is still known there 12 years later), and you may be getting positive value from LW, you have not contradicted my claim.
Also, I am far from virtuous—it is because I am so distractable that I have developed (slowly and painfully and with much sadness at my own foolishness) a finely tuned sense for when I am doing something because it is shiny rather than because it serves me. I only turn this sense on for 6-10 hours a day—in the evenings, anything goes.
What is wrong with having asking people on a interesting discussion forum with smart people if they would like to work together on improving themselves?
The presumption that everyone else is here for the purpose of difficult self-improvement, not for pleasure, which is a premise of the post. It’s not morally wrong, but it appears to be factually wrong.
Phooey on you, I like having fun.
“Just because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?”
I do my work on my own time, and my attempts to be more productive are my own responsibility/own business. When I’m not working, I want to not work. It would be a more masochistic person than I who actually wanted her recreational websites to give her lectures about duty. I treat LW as an interesting discussion forum with smart people. What’s wrong with that?
I think the original poster assumes—and, in fact, says, at one point—that the purpose of Less Wrong is for self-improvement. To him, it is supposed to be work, and it is something he alleges to participate in during work time, and he is operating under the assumption that other people do the same. You’re not disagreeing about the conclusion, you’re disagreeing about the premise. Judging from similar comments, you’re not alone.
There’s nothing wrong with buying a couch, if you aren’t buying it from a “increase your health with exercise!” store, and you aren’t buying it out of your exercise budget and using it during your exercise time.
But the LW store claims to be about making people more instrumentally rational (ie productive), and a significant proportion of those I sampled agreed that by reading LW, they were mentally scratching their “be more rational” itch while decreasing their own productivity through being distracted by LW.
So while nothing is wrong with having fun on fun time (I had so much fun in college that my name is still known there 12 years later), and you may be getting positive value from LW, you have not contradicted my claim.
Also, I am far from virtuous—it is because I am so distractable that I have developed (slowly and painfully and with much sadness at my own foolishness) a finely tuned sense for when I am doing something because it is shiny rather than because it serves me. I only turn this sense on for 6-10 hours a day—in the evenings, anything goes.
What is wrong with having asking people on a interesting discussion forum with smart people if they would like to work together on improving themselves?
The presumption that everyone else is here for the purpose of difficult self-improvement, not for pleasure, which is a premise of the post. It’s not morally wrong, but it appears to be factually wrong.
As a foreigner I have to ask: shouldn’t it be “ptooey on your hooey”?