I think you have a good point, I did miss his point, I seem to have different underlying assumptions.
Outside of war, and even in war the intention to win this or that goal matters surprisingly little, I do not think the change from oppressed to non-opressed group and back again is primarily the result of intentional human action aimed at changing such arrangements.
They aren’t utterly irrelevant but I do believe far stronger forces and the unforeseen consequences of our own actions are the game changers.
I certainly agree that most value change is not deliberately engineered ahead of time. But it has happened—and there are more effective and less effective ways to deliberately cause changes in values over time.
I think you have a good point, I did miss his point, I seem to have different underlying assumptions.
Outside of war, and even in war the intention to win this or that goal matters surprisingly little, I do not think the change from oppressed to non-opressed group and back again is primarily the result of intentional human action aimed at changing such arrangements.
They aren’t utterly irrelevant but I do believe far stronger forces and the unforeseen consequences of our own actions are the game changers.
I certainly agree that most value change is not deliberately engineered ahead of time. But it has happened—and there are more effective and less effective ways to deliberately cause changes in values over time.