Nitpicking, but the quote stated that people who are on neither offensive nor defensive are people you can learn from—it didn’t say that people who are on the offensive or defensive are necessarily wrong to do so.
I’m not sure that’s just a nitpick. It’s a mistake so common that it should probably be listed under biases. It might be a variation on availability bias—what’s actually mentioned fills in the mental space so that the cases which aren’t mentioned get ignored.
And I’m not sure it’s a mistake.
If you’re getting your information in a context where you know it’s meant completely literally and nothing else (e.g., Omega, lawyers, Spock), then yes, it would be wrong.
In normal conversation, people may (sometimes but not always; it’s infuriating) use “if” to mean “if and only if.”
As for this particular case, somervta is probably completely right. But I don’t think it’s conducive to communication to accuse people of bias for following Grice’s maxims.
I also dispute this- obvious cases include partial disagreement and partial agreement between parties, somebody who is simply silent or who says nothing of substance, and someone who is themself trying to learn from you/the other side.
(In particular, consider a debate between a biologist and the Pope on evolution. I would expect the Pope to be neither offensive nor defensive- though I’m not totally clear on the distinction here, and how a debater can be neither- but I would expect to learn much more from the biologist than the Pope.)
Nitpicking, but the quote stated that people who are on neither offensive nor defensive are people you can learn from—it didn’t say that people who are on the offensive or defensive are necessarily wrong to do so.
I’m not sure that’s just a nitpick. It’s a mistake so common that it should probably be listed under biases. It might be a variation on availability bias—what’s actually mentioned fills in the mental space so that the cases which aren’t mentioned get ignored.
And I’m not sure it’s a mistake. If you’re getting your information in a context where you know it’s meant completely literally and nothing else (e.g., Omega, lawyers, Spock), then yes, it would be wrong. In normal conversation, people may (sometimes but not always; it’s infuriating) use “if” to mean “if and only if.” As for this particular case, somervta is probably completely right. But I don’t think it’s conducive to communication to accuse people of bias for following Grice’s maxims.
I also dispute this- obvious cases include partial disagreement and partial agreement between parties, somebody who is simply silent or who says nothing of substance, and someone who is themself trying to learn from you/the other side.
(In particular, consider a debate between a biologist and the Pope on evolution. I would expect the Pope to be neither offensive nor defensive- though I’m not totally clear on the distinction here, and how a debater can be neither- but I would expect to learn much more from the biologist than the Pope.)