I’m very pessimistic about this. Basically, a single person, with very few exceptions, cannot influence politics in any meaningful way. Therefore there is no motivation, no utility to be gained from actions themselves. The only way to extract any utility from a political discussion is by bonding with similarly minded people, making new friends and having fun. And for that purpose, the more echo-chamber-y your environment is, the better. And most people use political discussion that way—very few are interested in small scale local politics, where they could have some influence, and most attention is being paid to the presidential elections because they are the most entertaining, even though their influence on them is negligible.
As a local decision making model, they figured out how to get everyone involved, but still not get logjammed.
A well structured town hall model.
I am not too enamored of the single vote method anyway, the “pick 1,2,3” model has been shown to work, I think Australia is going to try that model soon.
Hate, fear, and prejudice is always effective in making people act as if in mob mode, but I havn’t seen the Tea Party folks accomplish anything other than obstruction. But they did get elected, and in a large enough block to make an impact, they just havn’t.
Let’s see if those Bernie folks stay engaged, they may yet get involved in local, if not national politics.
I only have third-hand information, but I heard that in Occupy the constant “privilege checking” and “you came here to fight the rich 1%, but now we will educate you that the true enemy is patriarchy, and the first step is that the white cis het males must shut up” actually drove away many participants.
I’m very pessimistic about this. Basically, a single person, with very few exceptions, cannot influence politics in any meaningful way. Therefore there is no motivation, no utility to be gained from actions themselves. The only way to extract any utility from a political discussion is by bonding with similarly minded people, making new friends and having fun. And for that purpose, the more echo-chamber-y your environment is, the better. And most people use political discussion that way—very few are interested in small scale local politics, where they could have some influence, and most attention is being paid to the presidential elections because they are the most entertaining, even though their influence on them is negligible.
I agree completely here, and Bernies supporters are likely to stay highly motivated, and actually try and get elected to local positions.
But the most useful political structure i have seen is actually from the Occupy movement. Their participatory democracy is a pretty useful model.
https://theconversation.com/anarchy-in-the-usa-five-years-on-the-legacy-of-occupy-wall-street-and-what-it-can-teach-us-in-the-age-of-trump-68452
Why do you think it’s useful? How many congressman have they elected? I think the tea party was much more successful.
As a local decision making model, they figured out how to get everyone involved, but still not get logjammed.
A well structured town hall model.
I am not too enamored of the single vote method anyway, the “pick 1,2,3” model has been shown to work, I think Australia is going to try that model soon.
http://sciencebulletin.org/archives/7487.html
Hate, fear, and prejudice is always effective in making people act as if in mob mode, but I havn’t seen the Tea Party folks accomplish anything other than obstruction. But they did get elected, and in a large enough block to make an impact, they just havn’t.
Let’s see if those Bernie folks stay engaged, they may yet get involved in local, if not national politics.
They frequently did get logjammed. They lost power compared to a year ago. They didn’t get policy changes.
I don’t think they even got them via state legislatures.
Public spending would be less without the sequester the caused. They also prevent tax increases.
They are likely to get more laws passed with Trump in the White House.
I only have third-hand information, but I heard that in Occupy the constant “privilege checking” and “you came here to fight the rich 1%, but now we will educate you that the true enemy is patriarchy, and the first step is that the white cis het males must shut up” actually drove away many participants.