The one where she miraculously recovered from smallpox unscathed, all those years ago.
Which one of those? I also fail to see why that particular time coordinate is important.
What do you mean? Are you yourself, right now, one person? You are not a fully constrained decision process. An infinitude of possibilities lie before you. Why, then, do you insist that I pick out one Ah-Chen? She was, like you are, a fuzzy process.
I think this is the whole point of the discussion, and you seem to be dodging the hard parts. How fuzzy is acceptable? Do you suggests you want to pick the herd of all possible Ah-Chens? How would you define what all possible means? Where do you draw the line between those and someone else?
I also fail to see why that particular time coordinate is important.
Because I asked you for it? I mean, I’d also be happy with her before she contracted the disease, and any time during which she had the disease (assuming she’s brought back sans smallpox), and probably everything up till about a week after she’s cured of the disease (assuming she’s been in a coma-state since), under reasonable assumptions. But you asked for one, and that’s my strongest preference (and an easy one to describe).
How fuzzy is acceptable?
This fuzzy. [points at head] Give or take.
More specifically, the present state of the world determines many histories, but all of them are very similar (from our perch, way up here above physics). I want her within the bounds that are forced by the present.
(I suspect that the present is entangled enough such that the So8res’ that hallucinated Ah-Chen are distinguishable from myself, and that in all histories forced by now, she was truly there. If this is not the case, and the variance of history is wider than expected, then you should choose the median Ah-Chen within the boundaries forced by the present.)
Do you suggests you want to pick the herd of all possible Ah-Chens?
No more than I am currently the herd of all possible So8res.
How would you define what all possible means?
Need I? I’m asking for a girl, as she was when she died, as if she had (counter-factually) recovered from smallpox. Given adequate knowledge of the world (enough to let me deduce the precise state of the universe in her vicinity when she died) and sufficient ability (to reconstruct that state of matter, sans-virus) I could construct this unambiguously (enough so for my satisfaction, again given our perch towering above physics). I don’t see why the facts that “there are many processes that she could have become” or “there are many other ways she could have been before the sickness” make this unclear.
As for the fact that there is quantum fuzziness and I cannot get the “precise state” of her when she died, I am perfectly happy with anything within the boundaries forced by the present.
The argument seems to be along the lines of “there are many exact configurations that you call Ah-Chen, which one do you want?” But it’s not as if you’re going to build me an exact configuration. It’s not like the past forces that the electron had amplitude in this fuzzy area, and you have to pick an exact place to put it.
I do not need you to pick a precise place to put each atom, when history does not constrain you to do so. Rather, when history says “the amplitude for this electron was in this fuzzy circle”, I need you to build something where there’s an electron with amplitude in that fuzzy circle.
If you cannot deduce the boundaries on history forced by the present, if you must rely upon me for an exact description of the way she was, then I cannot give you enough precision reconstruct her. But I heard you could bring back the dead.
I think this is the whole point of the discussion, and you seem to be dodging the hard parts. How fuzzy is acceptable? Do you suggests you want to pick the herd of all possible Ah-Chens? How would you define what all possible means? Where do you draw the line between those and someone else?
If I’m reading So8res correctly, he doesn’t particularly dodge the hard part.
At a timepoint X, which is when she fell sick or some other schelling point for avoidance of fatal illness, there exists a vector matrix/machine state of all the interactions that, at that point in time within the reality observed by this Shen, together are the essence of the {computational process} that this Ah-Chen was then, along with all the possibilities and movements there.
So8res!Shen wants to copy that particular set of computational process state vectors and transplant it into a different point in spacetime, on a medium (functioning human brain within functioning human body, preferably) that is sufficiently similar to the old one to hold at least the same computational instructions that led to that Ah-Chen-state.
The copied state of interaction vectors encodes all the possibilities of then-Ah-Chen’s future, yet will play out differently as per a not-exactly-identical environment and different “flows of the Tao”. One of those environmental differences is, as per the request specifications, that the body housing the brain on which she is then computed is not fatally ill.
Which one of those? I also fail to see why that particular time coordinate is important.
I think this is the whole point of the discussion, and you seem to be dodging the hard parts. How fuzzy is acceptable? Do you suggests you want to pick the herd of all possible Ah-Chens? How would you define what all possible means? Where do you draw the line between those and someone else?
Because I asked you for it? I mean, I’d also be happy with her before she contracted the disease, and any time during which she had the disease (assuming she’s brought back sans smallpox), and probably everything up till about a week after she’s cured of the disease (assuming she’s been in a coma-state since), under reasonable assumptions. But you asked for one, and that’s my strongest preference (and an easy one to describe).
This fuzzy. [points at head] Give or take.
More specifically, the present state of the world determines many histories, but all of them are very similar (from our perch, way up here above physics). I want her within the bounds that are forced by the present.
(I suspect that the present is entangled enough such that the So8res’ that hallucinated Ah-Chen are distinguishable from myself, and that in all histories forced by now, she was truly there. If this is not the case, and the variance of history is wider than expected, then you should choose the median Ah-Chen within the boundaries forced by the present.)
No more than I am currently the herd of all possible So8res.
Need I? I’m asking for a girl, as she was when she died, as if she had (counter-factually) recovered from smallpox. Given adequate knowledge of the world (enough to let me deduce the precise state of the universe in her vicinity when she died) and sufficient ability (to reconstruct that state of matter, sans-virus) I could construct this unambiguously (enough so for my satisfaction, again given our perch towering above physics). I don’t see why the facts that “there are many processes that she could have become” or “there are many other ways she could have been before the sickness” make this unclear.
As for the fact that there is quantum fuzziness and I cannot get the “precise state” of her when she died, I am perfectly happy with anything within the boundaries forced by the present.
The argument seems to be along the lines of “there are many exact configurations that you call Ah-Chen, which one do you want?” But it’s not as if you’re going to build me an exact configuration. It’s not like the past forces that the electron had amplitude in this fuzzy area, and you have to pick an exact place to put it.
I do not need you to pick a precise place to put each atom, when history does not constrain you to do so. Rather, when history says “the amplitude for this electron was in this fuzzy circle”, I need you to build something where there’s an electron with amplitude in that fuzzy circle.
If you cannot deduce the boundaries on history forced by the present, if you must rely upon me for an exact description of the way she was, then I cannot give you enough precision reconstruct her. But I heard you could bring back the dead.
If I’m reading So8res correctly, he doesn’t particularly dodge the hard part.
At a timepoint X, which is when she fell sick or some other schelling point for avoidance of fatal illness, there exists a vector matrix/machine state of all the interactions that, at that point in time within the reality observed by this Shen, together are the essence of the {computational process} that this Ah-Chen was then, along with all the possibilities and movements there.
So8res!Shen wants to copy that particular set of computational process state vectors and transplant it into a different point in spacetime, on a medium (functioning human brain within functioning human body, preferably) that is sufficiently similar to the old one to hold at least the same computational instructions that led to that Ah-Chen-state.
The copied state of interaction vectors encodes all the possibilities of then-Ah-Chen’s future, yet will play out differently as per a not-exactly-identical environment and different “flows of the Tao”. One of those environmental differences is, as per the request specifications, that the body housing the brain on which she is then computed is not fatally ill.