Feedback: I intuitively expected the first/left vote to be “agree/disagree” and the second/right vote to be “compliance with good standards.” In reality, it’s closer to the reverse of that. Not sure how typical my experience will be.
(In my imagination, a user goes “I like this” followed by ”...but it was sketchy from an epistemic standpoint” or similar.)
I think if you swapped them, at least at this stage, you would have a bunch of people who accidentally indicated agreement because they thought they were normal voting
Yeah. Normal voting could have been left as is, with two buttons that indicate those two things. If something had an extreme score via voting, but didn’t score strongly (or in the same direction) via the other two, then voting would be capturing something else.
One of the issues with these things (like ‘agree’) - whatever that refers to (i.e. agree with what?), is that the longer, and more parts, a comment has, the less a single score captures that well, for any dimension.
One of the issues with these things (like ‘agree’) - whatever that refers to (i.e. agree with what?), is that the longer, and more parts, a comment has, the less a single score captures that well, for any dimension.
This thread The comments on this post in particular are a great example of this. Lots of people taking pieces of the post and going ‘I disagree with this’ or ‘this is not true’.
I guess the first vote means “whatever my vote would be under the old system”.
The second vote… I am not sure how to apply it e.g. to your comment. If I click “agree”, what does it mean?
I agree that Duncan intuitively expected the first/left vote to be agree/disagree, and the second/right vote to be good standards? [yes]
It also seems to me that the first/left vote is agree/disagree, and the second/right vote is good standards? [no]
I guess I am just going to use the first vote as usual (now if you vote “agree” on this comment, does it mean “yes, I believe this is exactly what Viliam will do” or “yes, I will do the same thing”?), and the second one only in situations that seem unambiguous.
I’ve been doing a lot of ‘overall’ voting based on “all things considered, am I happy this comment exists?” or “would I like to see more comments like this in the future?” and ‘agreement’ voting on specifically “do I endorse its contents?”
For a non-charged example, I upvoted Duncan’s comment suggesting that the buttons be swapped, because I think that a good kind of feedback to give on an experiment, and voted disagree on it because I don’t think swapping would have the effect he thinks it would have.
Another example: if two people are having a back and forth where they seem to remember different things, I’ll normal vote for both of them because I’m glad they’re hashing it out, but I won’t agree/disagree with any of them because I don’t have any inside information on what happened.
Feedback: I intuitively expected the first/left vote to be “agree/disagree” and the second/right vote to be “compliance with good standards.” In reality, it’s closer to the reverse of that. Not sure how typical my experience will be.
(In my imagination, a user goes “I like this” followed by ”...but it was sketchy from an epistemic standpoint” or similar.)
I think if you swapped them, at least at this stage, you would have a bunch of people who accidentally indicated agreement because they thought they were normal voting
Yeah. Normal voting could have been left as is, with two buttons that indicate those two things. If something had an extreme score via voting, but didn’t score strongly (or in the same direction) via the other two, then voting would be capturing something else.
One of the issues with these things (like ‘agree’) - whatever that refers to (i.e. agree with what?), is that the longer, and more parts, a comment has, the less a single score captures that well, for any dimension.
This threadThe comments on this post in particular are a great example of this. Lots of people taking pieces of the post and going ‘I disagree with this’ or ‘this is not true’.I am confused.
I guess the first vote means “whatever my vote would be under the old system”.
The second vote… I am not sure how to apply it e.g. to your comment. If I click “agree”, what does it mean?
I agree that Duncan intuitively expected the first/left vote to be agree/disagree, and the second/right vote to be good standards? [yes]
It also seems to me that the first/left vote is agree/disagree, and the second/right vote is good standards? [no]
I guess I am just going to use the first vote as usual (now if you vote “agree” on this comment, does it mean “yes, I believe this is exactly what Viliam will do” or “yes, I will do the same thing”?), and the second one only in situations that seem unambiguous.
I’ve been doing a lot of ‘overall’ voting based on “all things considered, am I happy this comment exists?” or “would I like to see more comments like this in the future?” and ‘agreement’ voting on specifically “do I endorse its contents?”
For a non-charged example, I upvoted Duncan’s comment suggesting that the buttons be swapped, because I think that a good kind of feedback to give on an experiment, and voted disagree on it because I don’t think swapping would have the effect he thinks it would have.
Another example: if two people are having a back and forth where they seem to remember different things, I’ll normal vote for both of them because I’m glad they’re hashing it out, but I won’t agree/disagree with any of them because I don’t have any inside information on what happened.