Can I have a LW definition of “agency” i.e what is a woman’s sexual agency in easy to understand terms?
I see no problem that needs solving presented here.
Otherwise a little rant, possibly enraged by the absolute stupidity of the middle paragraph.
Men do the bulk of creating? Creating what? Life? The next generation? A few seconds work = half the DNA. Hardly a fair distribution of the “work” of creating people. Yes, most inventions/discoveries seem to be made by men—a select set of men who have had the opportunity of education and the advantage being able to focus on their work rather than the trivialities of surviving...
Maintaining what? The children? The food? The home? The land? The community? The peace by meeting the sexual needs of men? Look back in time—or around the world. The maintenance of society comes with everyone contributing. Not just women just flashing their tits to get things done and giving it up when someone else desires.
Defending? You mean men fighting amongst themselves? Or defending women from other men? Yeah, thanks for that. Give every woman the ability to defend herself and then lets see.
if women are given a choice …
! I can manage nothing but sarcasm …
Hysterical.…
This premise seems to be almost unconsciously accepted by everyone I raise it with.
So much negative karma in all at once! I’ll have another attempt..
The Question—What are some unpopular (non-normative) opinions that you hold?
I took the following as the answer:
Women’s agency, especially their sexual agency, is contrary to a society’s progress and stability.
Vague.
What does ‘women’s agency’ mean?
What does ‘woman’s sexual agency mean’?
The term agency is new to me. A definition I found:
Agency is the ability to act in a way to accomplish your goals.
Which leads me to ask—what goals? What are the goals of women? I am totally unaware of the existence of a set of particular goals for women, so I cannot understand what actions/behaviours to accomplish the ‘goals of women’ are contrary to a society’s progress and stability. There is a list in the second paragraph (A presumption that these are the agencies the OP refers to):
if women are given a choice they favour a minority of males, harem behaviour, promiscuity, childlessness, etc.
Do they? What is that based on? Is there any evidence for this statement?
men … paid for their labours with access to sex and reproduction.
I really don’t know what to do with that sentence.
As for my little rant—the OP twice mentions that people get “enraged” so I let it flow a bit .. (I appreciate my style doesn’t conform, but hey-ho) …
Men do the bulk of the work when it comes to creating, maintaining, and defending everything in society.
Is this a rationally defendable position?
Is there any truth in it, where’s the justification? I would classify it as whatever LWspeak is for ‘absolutely stupid’ on evaluating the words used. I did request clarity about ‘creating, maintaining and defending everything’ What is this bulk of work for everything in society that men do?
Hysterical—the certain type of rant that comes with dealing with such BS. I finally understood the word!
This premise seems to be almost unconsciously accepted by everyone I raise it with. The part that people become enraged by is their own solutions to the problem. I merely state the premise, not any course of action to be taken.
How broad a range of people do you raise it with? I an imagine a proportion of the population agreeing with you (and that imagination takes me to a rowdy bar on a Friday night).
There is talk of a problem that needs a solution. I do not see a valid problem. (I see a lot of problems in society but women ‘having a choice’ is not one of them)
In conclusion the original non-normative opinion is based on nothing ‘solid’ as far as I can see.
And this has been a welcome distraction while my brain processes some thoughts and angles sparked by interactions with LW.
It should be pointed out that it’s possible to agree with most or all of your predictions, while disagreeing with their valence, or in other words, to say: “Yes, all these things indeed are likely to happen—and that’s a good thing!”
I do not endorse this view myself, but it’s important to realize that many people do, and such people would respond to your points in ways somewhat like the following:
Where are we to get our people from, if not from our own citizenry? …
“Our society has no greater value than anyone else’s, and replacing our citizenry and our culture with other people is not inherently problematic in any way.”
We know the recipe for killing population growth, and we’ve deployed it successfully in Africa (and by accident, here too): education for girls followed by employment (and you don’t even need birth control to see the dramatic effects).
Can I have a LW definition of “agency” i.e what is a woman’s sexual agency in easy to understand terms?
I see no problem that needs solving presented here.
Otherwise a little rant, possibly enraged by the absolute stupidity of the middle paragraph.
Men do the bulk of creating? Creating what? Life? The next generation? A few seconds work = half the DNA. Hardly a fair distribution of the “work” of creating people. Yes, most inventions/discoveries seem to be made by men—a select set of men who have had the opportunity of education and the advantage being able to focus on their work rather than the trivialities of surviving...
Maintaining what? The children? The food? The home? The land? The community? The peace by meeting the sexual needs of men? Look back in time—or around the world. The maintenance of society comes with everyone contributing. Not just women just flashing their tits to get things done and giving it up when someone else desires.
Defending? You mean men fighting amongst themselves? Or defending women from other men? Yeah, thanks for that. Give every woman the ability to defend herself and then lets see.
! I can manage nothing but sarcasm …
Hysterical.…
Lads night down at the bar eh?
So much negative karma in all at once! I’ll have another attempt..
The Question—What are some unpopular (non-normative) opinions that you hold?
I took the following as the answer:
Vague.
What does ‘women’s agency’ mean?
What does ‘woman’s sexual agency mean’?
The term agency is new to me. A definition I found:
Which leads me to ask—what goals? What are the goals of women? I am totally unaware of the existence of a set of particular goals for women, so I cannot understand what actions/behaviours to accomplish the ‘goals of women’ are contrary to a society’s progress and stability. There is a list in the second paragraph (A presumption that these are the agencies the OP refers to):
Do they? What is that based on? Is there any evidence for this statement?
I really don’t know what to do with that sentence.
As for my little rant—the OP twice mentions that people get “enraged” so I let it flow a bit .. (I appreciate my style doesn’t conform, but hey-ho) …
Is this a rationally defendable position?
Is there any truth in it, where’s the justification? I would classify it as whatever LWspeak is for ‘absolutely stupid’ on evaluating the words used. I did request clarity about ‘creating, maintaining and defending everything’ What is this bulk of work for everything in society that men do?
Hysterical—the certain type of rant that comes with dealing with such BS. I finally understood the word!
How broad a range of people do you raise it with? I an imagine a proportion of the population agreeing with you (and that imagination takes me to a rowdy bar on a Friday night).
There is talk of a problem that needs a solution. I do not see a valid problem. (I see a lot of problems in society but women ‘having a choice’ is not one of them)
In conclusion the original non-normative opinion is based on nothing ‘solid’ as far as I can see.
And this has been a welcome distraction while my brain processes some thoughts and angles sparked by interactions with LW.
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Playing the devil’s advocate:
It should be pointed out that it’s possible to agree with most or all of your predictions, while disagreeing with their valence, or in other words, to say: “Yes, all these things indeed are likely to happen—and that’s a good thing!”
I do not endorse this view myself, but it’s important to realize that many people do, and such people would respond to your points in ways somewhat like the following:
“Our society has no greater value than anyone else’s, and replacing our citizenry and our culture with other people is not inherently problematic in any way.”
“This is not only not a problem, it is a positive good; what you describe is indeed the recipe for the liberation and empowerment of women.”
… and so on.
I bring this up only to remind everyone in this conversation to keep a very firm grasp on the distinction between ‘is’ and ‘ought’.