I choose the profession as my example because I know a lot more computer programmers than any other single profession. Almost all the computer programmers I know are not self-obsessed jerks. I’ll answer your questions when you answer mine.
My recent experience with reading private_messaging (Dmytry) in both Kruel’s blog and the rationalwiki talk page, has led me to the opinion that he has a complete disregard for the truth-value or consistency in any accusation or insult he makes against LW or SIAI—he just throws at them everything he can, the juicier accusation the better, even if it contradicts some earlier accusation. (e.g. half the time SIAI are self-deluded fools, the other half the time they’re conscious fraudsters—half the time there’s no danger from AI and SIAI are therefore villains for claiming there is a danger, the other half time SIAI’s ideas would create dangerously insane AIs, so it seems AI can be a danger after all)
Do you mean to claim that people who are competent by the standards of philosophy would not treat other people like this?
Not claiming that. Claiming that people who are competent by the standards of philosophy (or many other disciplines for that matter) would get from evolutionary psychology to anticipation of reaction. Seriously, science is about anticipating consequences. It isn’t about epiphanies about why you feel what you feel. Programmers would probably hurt others less if they learn some psychology, even evolutionary psychology (which I am very skeptical of but it is still a framework into which you can put valid findings so it does have value).
There’s other issue at play here, just because someone value honesty does not mean they will not act on what you tell them. Let’s reverse gender stereotypes here. A girl tells Luke that she’s breaking up with him because he does not make enough money, and gives evolutionary psychological explanation for an hour to boot. Whereas Luke is only interested in the girl conditionally on her not being into him for money. However much he values honesty, that doesn’t change the fact that he will no longer be interested (We will assume, for the purpose of the hypothetical, that he was not also looking for a very honest girl that is into him for the money). When people tell they value honesty, that does not mean honesty will result in them giving you cookies, they’re not offering a trade where you are guaranteed to net positive in return for honesty.
Thanks for answering the question. You seem to have deleted the OP that contained the questions I promised to answer in return, so I no longer know what they are. Sorry.
I choose the profession as my example because I know a lot more computer programmers than any other single profession.
Almost all the computer programmers I know are not self-obsessed jerks.
I’ll answer your questions when you answer mine.
My recent experience with reading private_messaging (Dmytry) in both Kruel’s blog and the rationalwiki talk page, has led me to the opinion that he has a complete disregard for the truth-value or consistency in any accusation or insult he makes against LW or SIAI—he just throws at them everything he can, the juicier accusation the better, even if it contradicts some earlier accusation. (e.g. half the time SIAI are self-deluded fools, the other half the time they’re conscious fraudsters—half the time there’s no danger from AI and SIAI are therefore villains for claiming there is a danger, the other half time SIAI’s ideas would create dangerously insane AIs, so it seems AI can be a danger after all)
Ok, here:
Not claiming that. Claiming that people who are competent by the standards of philosophy (or many other disciplines for that matter) would get from evolutionary psychology to anticipation of reaction. Seriously, science is about anticipating consequences. It isn’t about epiphanies about why you feel what you feel. Programmers would probably hurt others less if they learn some psychology, even evolutionary psychology (which I am very skeptical of but it is still a framework into which you can put valid findings so it does have value).
There’s other issue at play here, just because someone value honesty does not mean they will not act on what you tell them. Let’s reverse gender stereotypes here. A girl tells Luke that she’s breaking up with him because he does not make enough money, and gives evolutionary psychological explanation for an hour to boot. Whereas Luke is only interested in the girl conditionally on her not being into him for money. However much he values honesty, that doesn’t change the fact that he will no longer be interested (We will assume, for the purpose of the hypothetical, that he was not also looking for a very honest girl that is into him for the money). When people tell they value honesty, that does not mean honesty will result in them giving you cookies, they’re not offering a trade where you are guaranteed to net positive in return for honesty.
Thanks for answering the question. You seem to have deleted the OP that contained the questions I promised to answer in return, so I no longer know what they are. Sorry.
I didn’t delete any posts, and I don’t think I edited any questions out.