I can’t tell if you’re saying “this is completely and horribly incorrect in approach and model”, or if you’re saying “yeah, there are cases where imposed rapid change is harmful, but there’s nuance I’d like to point out”. I disagree with the former, and don’t see the latter very clearly in the text.
The title of Scott’s post (give up 70 percent of the way through) seems about right to me, and skimming over the post, it seems he’s mostly talking about extreme, rapid, politically-motivated changes. I agree with him that it’s concerning, and the vigor with which many people NOT in the victim group demand the change is somewhere between incomprehensible and horrifying (in that I’m personally judged for not following the trends closely enough, and not changing long linguistic habits quickly enough).
Your argument seems to be that change is inevitable and proper, but I don’t think Scott’s claiming otherwise.
it seems like you each have reasonable mottes, and overlapping baileys. I find Scott to be more specific in examples of changes that worry him, than you in examples of change where you support and Scott doesn’t. Honestly, saying his examples (“asian” and “field work”) are worse than yours (“black” and “gay”) is very close to strawman arguing.
Out of the two options, this is closer to my view:
“this is completely and horribly incorrect in approach and model”
I think Scott’s model of how changes in the words we use for minority groups happen is just factually inaccurate and unrealistic. Changes are generally slow, gradual, long-lasting, and are primarily advocated for in good faith by conscientious members of the minority group in question.
Honestly, saying his examples (“asian” and “field work”) are worse than yours (“black” and “gay”) is very close to strawman arguing.
Well, my examples are both real and non-fringe, whereas “Asian” and “field work” are fictional and fringe, respectively. So, I think “gay” and “Black” are more central examples.
Scott also seems annoyed by “Black”, but doesn’t explain why he’s (seemingly) annoyed.
There’s a bit more here than I can readily respond to right now, but let me know if you think I’ve avoided the crux of the matter and you’d like me to address it in a future comment.
I can’t tell if you’re saying “this is completely and horribly incorrect in approach and model”, or if you’re saying “yeah, there are cases where imposed rapid change is harmful, but there’s nuance I’d like to point out”. I disagree with the former, and don’t see the latter very clearly in the text.
The title of Scott’s post (give up 70 percent of the way through) seems about right to me, and skimming over the post, it seems he’s mostly talking about extreme, rapid, politically-motivated changes. I agree with him that it’s concerning, and the vigor with which many people NOT in the victim group demand the change is somewhere between incomprehensible and horrifying (in that I’m personally judged for not following the trends closely enough, and not changing long linguistic habits quickly enough).
Your argument seems to be that change is inevitable and proper, but I don’t think Scott’s claiming otherwise.
it seems like you each have reasonable mottes, and overlapping baileys. I find Scott to be more specific in examples of changes that worry him, than you in examples of change where you support and Scott doesn’t. Honestly, saying his examples (“asian” and “field work”) are worse than yours (“black” and “gay”) is very close to strawman arguing.
Out of the two options, this is closer to my view:
I think Scott’s model of how changes in the words we use for minority groups happen is just factually inaccurate and unrealistic. Changes are generally slow, gradual, long-lasting, and are primarily advocated for in good faith by conscientious members of the minority group in question.
Well, my examples are both real and non-fringe, whereas “Asian” and “field work” are fictional and fringe, respectively. So, I think “gay” and “Black” are more central examples.
Scott also seems annoyed by “Black”, but doesn’t explain why he’s (seemingly) annoyed.
There’s a bit more here than I can readily respond to right now, but let me know if you think I’ve avoided the crux of the matter and you’d like me to address it in a future comment.