Is there a trick to identifying gay male geeks? I find that sometimes I can go to four or five nerd parties and still have no idea about the sex lives of half the people there—the shy male nerds I know tend not to talk about dating unless they’re forced to. Maybe I’m going to the wrong parties.
Back when I was in the market, I found that asking male geeks whose sexual preference I didn’t know on dates worked pretty well. Not, admittedly, the most efficient possible mechanism… and not entirely reliable, as it landed me a few dates with self-identified straight male geeks, which puzzled me… but still, it worked pretty well.
Of course, I only tried this for male geeks I was interested in dating, which may have introduced relevant selection biases.
I don’t find that surprising at all. We don’t have full conscious access to all our preferences: we can just make guesses based on previous data. Realizing that there are men of the same sex that you might be attracted to doesn’t seem any different from realizing that although you generally dislike science fiction, there are some sci-fi stories that you enjoy.
Straight/bi/gay is a classfication scheme that often works, but by collapsing a sliding scale into just three categories it necessarily loses information. A person who is only attracted to people of the opposite sex, and a person who is attracted to people of the opposite sex and to 0.1% of people of the same sex are usually both lumped in the category of “straight”.
I have occasional fantasies of men and enjoy some varieties of shounen-ai/yaoi, but I’m almost never attracted to men in real life, though there have been a couple of exceptions. I can never figure out if I should call myself straight or bi, though straight is probably closer to the mark.
Also, sexual orientation is not a static thing, but something fluid that may change throughout life. This is particularly the case for women, though possibly also for men:
Starting in the mid-1990s, Diamond, a professor of Psychology and Gender Studies at the University of Utah, conducted a longitudinal study that tracked sexual attitudes among a cohort of non-heterosexual identified women from their late teens into their early thirties. From this work Diamond concluded that while a model of sexual orientation in which a person is unswervingly straight or gay may be appropriate for men, it is too rigid for women. Over the course of a few years, a typical woman in Diamond’s study might move from being attracted to other women to being attracted to men, or vice versa, with the nature of the attraction dependent on an individual’s circumstances and partner in ways that often rendered simple straight/lesiban/bisexual categorizations too coarse to be informative. This fluidity is not a matter of dilettantish sexual experimentation or repressed lesbianism in the face of homophobia. (Nor, contrary to the wishes of religious traditionalists, does it mean that sexuality is a conscious lifestyle choice that can be reset by bullying therapy.) Instead, Diamond contends, it is a natural course of many women’s development which has been overlooked by both the general public and researchers into human sexuality.
I have occasional fantasies of men and enjoy some varieties of shounen-ai/yaoi, but I’m almost never attracted to men in real life, though there have been a couple of exceptions. I can never figure out if I should call myself straight or bi, though straight is probably closer to the mark.
I’ve identified as that before, but I find it doesn’t really apply well anymore.
Instead of slapping labels onto finer and finer grained levels of the fluid scale, I just have a clearly defined set of things that I will do with men, and a clearly defined set of things I will do with women, and that’s sufficient for me.
In terms of detailed reactions… well, I could summarize the common thread as “If I were going to hook up with a guy it would probably be you, and I’m not unattracted, which is surprising, and, hey, sure, why not?” followed some time later by “Nah, straight.”
I generally took it roughly in the same spirit that I make a point of tasting foods that I don’t like when someone who does like it identifies a good example of it, just to see whether I still don’t like it… because, hey, sometimes I discover that my tastes have changed while I wasn’t looking.
That said, I far preferred the ones who were clear about that being their state. (In their defense, most of them were.)
The studies I know of have found that while many people can identify orientation (EDIT: sorry, only gay/straight, don’t know of any non-binary studies) based on facial appearance, voice, and other outward signs with better-than-average accuracy, participants tend to have a hard time identifying specific traits that led them to judge.
This remains true for gay male geeks, by the way.
Is there a trick to identifying gay male geeks? I find that sometimes I can go to four or five nerd parties and still have no idea about the sex lives of half the people there—the shy male nerds I know tend not to talk about dating unless they’re forced to. Maybe I’m going to the wrong parties.
Back when I was in the market, I found that asking male geeks whose sexual preference I didn’t know on dates worked pretty well. Not, admittedly, the most efficient possible mechanism… and not entirely reliable, as it landed me a few dates with self-identified straight male geeks, which puzzled me… but still, it worked pretty well.
Of course, I only tried this for male geeks I was interested in dating, which may have introduced relevant selection biases.
Isn’t that just bizarre?! The same thing has happened to me.
Is it conceivable that some of them thought it was an invitation to socialize rather than a date?
In the cases I was thinking of, no, not really.
Yeah, what? That’s definitely not something I would have predicted. What were their detailed reactions?
I don’t find that surprising at all. We don’t have full conscious access to all our preferences: we can just make guesses based on previous data. Realizing that there are men of the same sex that you might be attracted to doesn’t seem any different from realizing that although you generally dislike science fiction, there are some sci-fi stories that you enjoy.
Straight/bi/gay is a classfication scheme that often works, but by collapsing a sliding scale into just three categories it necessarily loses information. A person who is only attracted to people of the opposite sex, and a person who is attracted to people of the opposite sex and to 0.1% of people of the same sex are usually both lumped in the category of “straight”.
I have occasional fantasies of men and enjoy some varieties of shounen-ai/yaoi, but I’m almost never attracted to men in real life, though there have been a couple of exceptions. I can never figure out if I should call myself straight or bi, though straight is probably closer to the mark.
Also, sexual orientation is not a static thing, but something fluid that may change throughout life. This is particularly the case for women, though possibly also for men:
Heteroflexible?
I’ve identified as that before, but I find it doesn’t really apply well anymore.
Instead of slapping labels onto finer and finer grained levels of the fluid scale, I just have a clearly defined set of things that I will do with men, and a clearly defined set of things I will do with women, and that’s sufficient for me.
Mostly Kaj said what I was gonna say.
In terms of detailed reactions… well, I could summarize the common thread as “If I were going to hook up with a guy it would probably be you, and I’m not unattracted, which is surprising, and, hey, sure, why not?” followed some time later by “Nah, straight.”
I generally took it roughly in the same spirit that I make a point of tasting foods that I don’t like when someone who does like it identifies a good example of it, just to see whether I still don’t like it… because, hey, sometimes I discover that my tastes have changed while I wasn’t looking.
That said, I far preferred the ones who were clear about that being their state. (In their defense, most of them were.)
I know, right? As a straight male, I keep doing this.
Why?
I’m like Kaj Sotala, and much of what TheOtherDave said applies to me.
The studies I know of have found that while many people can identify orientation (EDIT: sorry, only gay/straight, don’t know of any non-binary studies) based on facial appearance, voice, and other outward signs with better-than-average accuracy, participants tend to have a hard time identifying specific traits that led them to judge.
I also would be interested in any such result.