Makes CFAR look kinda bad since the full curriculum in its totality should ideally untangle a person enough to the point where stuff like this shouldn’t be an issue.
Maybe. An alternate frame is “this problem is quite hard.” I wouldn’t naively expect a single workshop to accomplish all-the-things for any given person. My sense is that CFAR has also pushed in a particular direction that works reasonably well for many people, but not all people, and not all parts work for all people, and because people are complicated and messy you shouldn’t expect it to.
Yeah, I think CFAR has been heavy tailed, and I would predict that there are some individuals for whom it has counterfactually caused them to solve big problems like this.
I wasn’t comparing a single workshop’s worth of time to the OP’s results. I was comparing it to the idealized CFAR attendee who leaves the workshop and uses every single technique 200+ times over trying to sort/untangle themself out.
A person who does internal double crux and more once a day every day for a year straight should ideally be far less self-conflicted and generally more motivated and able to take action towards their goals in life.
(For context of what perspective this is coming out of: I’ve been to their workshop, their mentor workshop, worked as a mentor there multiple times, lived with people who work there, and discussed things about it with employees and mentors far more often than was likely ever practical or useful, etc.)
I strongly agree with “this problem is quite hard” or that we’re commenting on an observed result of a long list of factors and activities. If CFAR were the true magic bullet or if someone else found the true magic bullet of solving the motivation and/or follow-through problem, then the world would look very different.
I strongly agree with “this problem is quite hard” or that we%27re commenting on an observed result of a long list of factors and activities. If CFAR were the true magic bullet or if someone else found the true magic bullet of solving the motivation and/or follow-through problem, the world would look very different.
Another reason for why some people who wish to become rationalists might try to do this is that rationality can help them to think better. If CFAR were the true magic bullet, then LessWrong wouldn’t exist—it would be meaningless to even want to contribute to a community at all, and that would lead to negative feelings of existential emptiness—or, perhaps, that are a result of the same thing, negative affect.
It is also a heuristic, and it seems like a useful one, but I don’t have an intuition that CFAR could be one.
Maybe. An alternate frame is “this problem is quite hard.” I wouldn’t naively expect a single workshop to accomplish all-the-things for any given person. My sense is that CFAR has also pushed in a particular direction that works reasonably well for many people, but not all people, and not all parts work for all people, and because people are complicated and messy you shouldn’t expect it to.
Yeah, I think CFAR has been heavy tailed, and I would predict that there are some individuals for whom it has counterfactually caused them to solve big problems like this.
I wasn’t comparing a single workshop’s worth of time to the OP’s results. I was comparing it to the idealized CFAR attendee who leaves the workshop and uses every single technique 200+ times over trying to sort/untangle themself out.
A person who does internal double crux and more once a day every day for a year straight should ideally be far less self-conflicted and generally more motivated and able to take action towards their goals in life.
(For context of what perspective this is coming out of: I’ve been to their workshop, their mentor workshop, worked as a mentor there multiple times, lived with people who work there, and discussed things about it with employees and mentors far more often than was likely ever practical or useful, etc.)
I strongly agree with “this problem is quite hard” or that we’re commenting on an observed result of a long list of factors and activities. If CFAR were the true magic bullet or if someone else found the true magic bullet of solving the motivation and/or follow-through problem, then the world would look very different.
I strongly agree with “this problem is quite hard” or that we%27re commenting on an observed result of a long list of factors and activities. If CFAR were the true magic bullet or if someone else found the true magic bullet of solving the motivation and/or follow-through problem, the world would look very different.
Another reason for why some people who wish to become rationalists might try to do this is that rationality can help them to think better. If CFAR were the true magic bullet, then LessWrong wouldn’t exist—it would be meaningless to even want to contribute to a community at all, and that would lead to negative feelings of existential emptiness—or, perhaps, that are a result of the same thing, negative affect.
It is also a heuristic, and it seems like a useful one, but I don’t have an intuition that CFAR could be one.