The richest/most powerful/most successful aren’t generally the smartest (again, excluding a few fields).
Bill Gates has more than +3 SD g factor given his SAT scores. With Bezos, we don’t know his SAT scores but we do know that he was valedictorian. According to Wikipedia the school he attended features in lists of the top 1000 schools in the US. This suggests that the average student at the school is significantly smarter than the average US citizen, so being a valedictorian in that school likely also suggests >3 SD g factor.
Ben Bernanke and Yellen as chairs of the Federal Reserve also seem examples of people with significantly more than 3SD g factor.
I don’t think you get the 22.4% of Jewish Nobel prize winners without IQ that goes beyond >3 SD g factor helping with winning Nobel prizes.
Wait, how are you estimating Ben Bernanke and Yellen’s g factor. Your reason for guessing it seem much less compelling to me than for Gates and Bezos.
I mean inferring from SAT seems sensible. Valedictorian status is also not as sketchy. I won’t necessarily trust it, but the argument is plausible, and I expect we could later see it validated.
Our hard science superstars/chess superstars seem to have a mean and median g factor that’s +3 SD.
This does not seem to be the case for self made billionaires, politicians, bureaucrats or other “powerful people”.
g factor seems to have diminishing marginal returns in how much power it lets you attain?
For Ben Bernanke it’s SAT score. For Yellen there’s a New York Times story where they asked a described a colleague to describe her and they said “small lady with a large IQ”. There are a few headlines that describe her that way as well.
Chess is not an IQ-driven activity. The same goes for Go. One Go player who I don’t think would have qualified for Mensa himself has once visiting a professional Go school in Korea and his impression was that the average professional Go player isn’t very smart.
I’m not sure who you mean with hard science superstars. There seems to be an analysis of the best scientists in 1952 that suggests mean IQ of around 154 for them.
It’s hard to know the average IQ for self-made billionaires. If we however just at the top tech billionaires people like Bill Gates (perfect math SAT score), Steve Balmer (perfect math SAT score), Jeff Bezos (valedictorian at top school) and Mark Zuckerberg (perfect SAT score) that suggests IQ is helping very much.
I’m not aware of any data from that class of people that speaks about people who have just 130 IQ.
I’m under the impression that many of the best chess players are +4 SD and beyond in IQ.
For scientists, I was thinking of that study that claimed an average IQ of around 154 yeah.
Players at a Go school not being very smart has little bearing on my point. If we found out that the average IQ of the best Go players was e.g. < 130, that would be a relevant counterargument, but the anecdote you presented doesn’t sound particularly relevant.
Out of curiosity, what IQ range does a perfect SAT score map to?
Bill Gates has more than +3 SD g factor given his SAT scores. With Bezos, we don’t know his SAT scores but we do know that he was valedictorian. According to Wikipedia the school he attended features in lists of the top 1000 schools in the US. This suggests that the average student at the school is significantly smarter than the average US citizen, so being a valedictorian in that school likely also suggests >3 SD g factor.
Ben Bernanke and Yellen as chairs of the Federal Reserve also seem examples of people with significantly more than 3SD g factor.
I don’t think you get the 22.4% of Jewish Nobel prize winners without IQ that goes beyond >3 SD g factor helping with winning Nobel prizes.
Wait, how are you estimating Ben Bernanke and Yellen’s g factor. Your reason for guessing it seem much less compelling to me than for Gates and Bezos.
I mean inferring from SAT seems sensible. Valedictorian status is also not as sketchy. I won’t necessarily trust it, but the argument is plausible, and I expect we could later see it validated.
Our hard science superstars/chess superstars seem to have a mean and median g factor that’s +3 SD.
This does not seem to be the case for self made billionaires, politicians, bureaucrats or other “powerful people”.
g factor seems to have diminishing marginal returns in how much power it lets you attain?
For Ben Bernanke it’s SAT score. For Yellen there’s a New York Times story where they asked a described a colleague to describe her and they said “small lady with a large IQ”. There are a few headlines that describe her that way as well.
Chess is not an IQ-driven activity. The same goes for Go. One Go player who I don’t think would have qualified for Mensa himself has once visiting a professional Go school in Korea and his impression was that the average professional Go player isn’t very smart.
I’m not sure who you mean with hard science superstars. There seems to be an analysis of the best scientists in 1952 that suggests mean IQ of around 154 for them.
It’s hard to know the average IQ for self-made billionaires. If we however just at the top tech billionaires people like Bill Gates (perfect math SAT score), Steve Balmer (perfect math SAT score), Jeff Bezos (valedictorian at top school) and Mark Zuckerberg (perfect SAT score) that suggests IQ is helping very much.
I’m not aware of any data from that class of people that speaks about people who have just 130 IQ.
I’m under the impression that many of the best chess players are +4 SD and beyond in IQ.
For scientists, I was thinking of that study that claimed an average IQ of around 154 yeah.
Players at a Go school not being very smart has little bearing on my point. If we found out that the average IQ of the best Go players was e.g. < 130, that would be a relevant counterargument, but the anecdote you presented doesn’t sound particularly relevant.
Out of curiosity, what IQ range does a perfect SAT score map to?