I’m curious how much of this you attribute to (the following random hypotheses I just formed, as well as any other hypotheses you have):
tribal integration being generally hard
Bay rationalists being particular bad at Tribal/friendship
Bay rationalists not having enough social infrastructure, or other problems distinct from “bad at Tribal” (i.e. I think the math may just not work out for many friends you can expect to make quickly, and how much help you’ll have making friends)
specific (possibly subtle) differences from the culture-you-wanted and the culture-that-was-there. (i.e. you pushing for changes or having opinions that ran against the status quo)
Are you asking about my particular realization here, or this part:
And the thing is, I would go as far as to say many people in the rationality community experience this same frustration. They found a group that they feel like should be their tribe, but they really don’t feel a close connection to most people in it, and feel alienated as a result.
Hmm, either I guess. It definitely looks like there are some kind of issues in this space that I’d like to help the Bay community improve at, but am not sure what kind of improvements are tractable and am trying to just get a better shape of the situation.
I personally just am not really made to fit into communities, I do a much better job building my own.
I’d say that in my particular case, this issue screens off a lot of the other issues.
In the case of the Bay Area rationality as a whole, I think that in general it does a fairly bad job of being a friendly community for people who want to join communities, some of the causes of this seem to be (in no particular order)
High levels of autism and autism spectrum disorder.
I’m curious how much of this you attribute to (the following random hypotheses I just formed, as well as any other hypotheses you have):
tribal integration being generally hard
Bay rationalists being particular bad at Tribal/friendship
Bay rationalists not having enough social infrastructure, or other problems distinct from “bad at Tribal” (i.e. I think the math may just not work out for many friends you can expect to make quickly, and how much help you’ll have making friends)
specific (possibly subtle) differences from the culture-you-wanted and the culture-that-was-there. (i.e. you pushing for changes or having opinions that ran against the status quo)
Are you asking about my particular realization here, or this part:
?
Hmm, either I guess. It definitely looks like there are some kind of issues in this space that I’d like to help the Bay community improve at, but am not sure what kind of improvements are tractable and am trying to just get a better shape of the situation.
Some thoughts on this:
I personally just am not really made to fit into communities, I do a much better job building my own.
I’d say that in my particular case, this issue screens off a lot of the other issues.
In the case of the Bay Area rationality as a whole, I think that in general it does a fairly bad job of being a friendly community for people who want to join communities, some of the causes of this seem to be (in no particular order)
High levels of autism and autism spectrum disorder.
A large gender imbalance.
Weird status dynamics.