They are definitely polar opposites. But disagreeing with one does not automatically means endorsing another.
Open individualism: there is no reason to say dadadarren is the self while Britney Spears is not. Me: no reasoning is needed. I know the subjective experience of dadadarren not Britney. So I am dadadarren not Britney. That’s it.
You saying there are two selves makes me wonder if we are having similar thoughts. IMO, the current dadadarren and yesterday’s dadadarren are definitely two different persepectives. So one MAY say I am an empty individulist? (I will disagree though)
However that is not to say the current dadadarren regard yesterday’s dadadarren the same way it regards yesterday’s Britney Spears: just objects with their own persepctives. Reason being the current dadadarren has the subjective memory of first-person experience of yesterday’s dadadarren, but not Britney Spears.
Actually, we could define three levels of Self and they will correspond to different types of individualism.
“Atman” level—universal light of attention, which is present in any observer. It corresponds to open individualism if I care only about pure attention.
Qualia level—the combination of qualia which I experience now. Empty individualism.
Long-term memory level or “historical Self”—closed individualism.
Some think that the atman level is real and it is a universal observer which looks through all really existing observers. In that case, we could calculate chances that the universal observer will observe some peculiar observer-moment. But in physicalism “atman” is not real.
The ideas of “death” and “personal identity” are applicable only on the third level.
Most philosophers tend to say that only one of these three levels are real and-or valuable and thus they have to chose between the types of individualism. For me all three are valuable.
If I am interested in self-location believes, I mostly think about them using the third level,
They are definitely polar opposites. But disagreeing with one does not automatically means endorsing another.
Open individualism: there is no reason to say dadadarren is the self while Britney Spears is not. Me: no reasoning is needed. I know the subjective experience of dadadarren not Britney. So I am dadadarren not Britney. That’s it.
You saying there are two selves makes me wonder if we are having similar thoughts. IMO, the current dadadarren and yesterday’s dadadarren are definitely two different persepectives. So one MAY say I am an empty individulist? (I will disagree though)
However that is not to say the current dadadarren regard yesterday’s dadadarren the same way it regards yesterday’s Britney Spears: just objects with their own persepctives. Reason being the current dadadarren has the subjective memory of first-person experience of yesterday’s dadadarren, but not Britney Spears.
Actually, we could define three levels of Self and they will correspond to different types of individualism.
“Atman” level—universal light of attention, which is present in any observer. It corresponds to open individualism if I care only about pure attention.
Qualia level—the combination of qualia which I experience now. Empty individualism.
Long-term memory level or “historical Self”—closed individualism.
Some think that the atman level is real and it is a universal observer which looks through all really existing observers. In that case, we could calculate chances that the universal observer will observe some peculiar observer-moment. But in physicalism “atman” is not real.
The ideas of “death” and “personal identity” are applicable only on the third level.
Most philosophers tend to say that only one of these three levels are real and-or valuable and thus they have to chose between the types of individualism. For me all three are valuable.
If I am interested in self-location believes, I mostly think about them using the third level,