I can’t help but feel that this exchange is an example of your earlier point, Lumifer, that if one doesn’t use blunt negative feedback the audience can more easily choose to ignore it. It looks like you’re optimizing your criticisms to score points rather than to change Shannon’s behavior, and this seems to me to be a principal failure mode of the ‘rip apart’ style of feedback.
looks like you’re optimizing your criticisms to score points rather than to change Shannon’s behavior
Hard to evaluate such things from the inside, of course, but… First, I have no interest in changing Shannon’s behavior and I think having such a goal would be both strange and inappropriate. Second, I didn’t understand the point of her post and my usual approach to such situations is to get a few sharp sticks and start poking :-) I know that not everyone is a fan of such methods but I find that they work sufficiently well.
All in all, my weakly held opinion at the moment is that the post wasn’t all that interesting—it was just a failed attempt to promote a psychotherapy practice.
Of course. For the statistics I used all clients and did not cherry pick, but you only have my word for that. And of course there is selection bias for who gives me a testimonial.
That said, those testimonials and statistics are the best that I have to make my point.
If you want me to provide you a perfect, infallible argument to persuade you to change your life, you are going to be waiting a very long time, because I am neither interested nor possessing the time and energy to do it.
If you want evidence that has signal, then that is what I have given you. You can ignore it and/or pick it apart, and get nothing from it, as you seem to have chosen to do.
Someone else might get quite a lot of value from it, if they use the strategy of looking at signal rather than assuming that they are right until proven wrong.
You don’t think there might be a wee bit of a selection bias there..? :-)
I can’t help but feel that this exchange is an example of your earlier point, Lumifer, that if one doesn’t use blunt negative feedback the audience can more easily choose to ignore it. It looks like you’re optimizing your criticisms to score points rather than to change Shannon’s behavior, and this seems to me to be a principal failure mode of the ‘rip apart’ style of feedback.
Hard to evaluate such things from the inside, of course, but… First, I have no interest in changing Shannon’s behavior and I think having such a goal would be both strange and inappropriate. Second, I didn’t understand the point of her post and my usual approach to such situations is to get a few sharp sticks and start poking :-) I know that not everyone is a fan of such methods but I find that they work sufficiently well.
All in all, my weakly held opinion at the moment is that the post wasn’t all that interesting—it was just a failed attempt to promote a psychotherapy practice.
Of course. For the statistics I used all clients and did not cherry pick, but you only have my word for that. And of course there is selection bias for who gives me a testimonial.
That said, those testimonials and statistics are the best that I have to make my point.
If you want me to provide you a perfect, infallible argument to persuade you to change your life, you are going to be waiting a very long time, because I am neither interested nor possessing the time and energy to do it.
If you want evidence that has signal, then that is what I have given you. You can ignore it and/or pick it apart, and get nothing from it, as you seem to have chosen to do.
Someone else might get quite a lot of value from it, if they use the strategy of looking at signal rather than assuming that they are right until proven wrong.
Oh, dear. No, I certainly do not want that.
I mostly want a coherent description of the point, if there is a point other than “come to me and I’ll fix you”.