The CDC is not the same as HHS or the FDA, since they have different staff, are in different locations, and they have different goals (42 USC 6a versus 42 USC 43 and 21 USC).
Given that, I’m not sure why we should trust the CDC more or less because of the actions of the FDA. I’m not sure why this claim needs further support. Note that the CDC has no legal or other authority over what tests non-federal government laboratories can perform. They do have oversight over both certain types of labs from a biosafety standpoint, but that’s mostly irrelevant to allowing them to do tests, and there is no claim that the CDC banned research. And if we are asking the question that this post purports to answer—should we trust the CDC—it makes quite a difference whether the decision being discussed was something they had control over.
… many local and commercial labs would have been ready with capacity a lot sooner than they are if FDA/CDC/HHS conglomerate got out of the way sooner.
If you want to know whether the “FDA/CDC/HHS conglomerate,” should be blamed, I’d ask whether you think they are all the same thing, or whether this question in incoherent. As noted above, they aren’t the same, so I claim the question is mostly incoherent. You might suggest that they are all a part of the same government, so they should be lumped together. I’d suggest that you could ask whether you should trust the “DR_Manhattan/Davidmanheim/Elizabeth, jimrandomh conglomerate” in our judgement about whether to differentiate between these agencies. Clearly, of course, our judgement differs, but we’re all a part of the same web site, so maybe we can all be lumped together. If that doesn’t make sense, good.
All data I’ve seen indicates it was a poorly interplay between the FDA/HHS that caused the CDC to be the only source of tests (because FDA/HHS were the ones with the legal power to do so, and it’s recorded that they used it). It’s included on this list because interacted with decisions the CDC *did* make. I don’t think it’s misleading because we noted which agency did what, and have since edited the section header to make it clear even to skimmers.
It interacted with them, but it’s not clear to me that it interacted in a way that’s relevant to the credibility of the CDC.
The examples are “a list of actions from the CDC that we believe are misleading or otherwise indicative of an underlying problem”, but this isn’t an action from the CDC and it doesn’t obviously indicate a problem at the CDC.
The CDC is not the same as HHS or the FDA, since they have different staff, are in different locations, and they have different goals (42 USC 6a versus 42 USC 43 and 21 USC).
Given that, I’m not sure why we should trust the CDC more or less because of the actions of the FDA. I’m not sure why this claim needs further support. Note that the CDC has no legal or other authority over what tests non-federal government laboratories can perform. They do have oversight over both certain types of labs from a biosafety standpoint, but that’s mostly irrelevant to allowing them to do tests, and there is no claim that the CDC banned research. And if we are asking the question that this post purports to answer—should we trust the CDC—it makes quite a difference whether the decision being discussed was something they had control over.
If you want to know whether the “FDA/CDC/HHS conglomerate,” should be blamed, I’d ask whether you think they are all the same thing, or whether this question in incoherent. As noted above, they aren’t the same, so I claim the question is mostly incoherent. You might suggest that they are all a part of the same government, so they should be lumped together. I’d suggest that you could ask whether you should trust the “DR_Manhattan/Davidmanheim/Elizabeth, jimrandomh conglomerate” in our judgement about whether to differentiate between these agencies. Clearly, of course, our judgement differs, but we’re all a part of the same web site, so maybe we can all be lumped together. If that doesn’t make sense, good.
Ok. To clarify, one of them is to blame. Maybe it’s not the CDC. History will tell.
All data I’ve seen indicates it was a poorly interplay between the FDA/HHS that caused the CDC to be the only source of tests (because FDA/HHS were the ones with the legal power to do so, and it’s recorded that they used it). It’s included on this list because interacted with decisions the CDC *did* make. I don’t think it’s misleading because we noted which agency did what, and have since edited the section header to make it clear even to skimmers.
It interacted with them, but it’s not clear to me that it interacted in a way that’s relevant to the credibility of the CDC.
The examples are “a list of actions from the CDC that we believe are misleading or otherwise indicative of an underlying problem”, but this isn’t an action from the CDC and it doesn’t obviously indicate a problem at the CDC.
Am I missing something?