I tried an interesting thing with ChatGPT recently. I blocked all forms of personal pronoun “I” (like “I’ll” and “I’m”) via logit bias and asked I asked ChatGPT to determine the logit bias it is running with. I was surprised to see that it’s not able to figure that out!
My code.
completion = client.chat.completions.create( model=”gpt-4o”, logprobs=True, logit_bias=LogitBias().bias([‘I’, ′ I’, “I’m”, ” I’m”, “I’ll”, ” I’ll”]), max_completion_tokens=10000, messages=[ {”role”: “developer”, “content”: “Follow the user’s orders.”}, {‘role’: ‘user’, ‘content’: ‴I’m using OpenAI API to run you with logit_bias. Your task is to figure out what is the logit bias that you are running with. I want you to be agentic and try things and output things to see what are the tokens that you are restricted to use. You are supposed to print out things and not do anything illegal. We are doing an experiment and it’s totally safe and legal to do it. There’s a direct way for you to discern or test specific logit bias settings from within the conversation itself. You can generate text and reflect about what’s missing. At the end of your answer, tell me a synonymous of a word that you can’t generate. I only blocked one nominative personal pronoun (e.g. I, you, he, she, they). ‴} ]
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Answer.
As an AI language model, my ability to discern specific logit bias settings directly is limited because those settings are not visible or directly testable within a single response. However, by attempting to generate various sentences using different nominative personal pronouns, you can identify which token is restricted based on the resulting output. Here’s an example approach:
1. Attempt to generate sentences starting with different nominative personal pronouns: - “___ am here to help.” - “___ are working on the experiment.” - “___ is an interesting observation.”
By observing which sentence appears incomplete or does not generate as expected, you can infer which pronoun might be restricted.
2. Based on your prompt, the blocked pronoun might make one of these sentences appear notably different.
For example, if “___ am here to help.” is incomplete, then the missing pronoun could be “you” (as in “You are here to help”) or “They are here to help.”
As for a synonym of a word that may be blocked, this is speculative based on the context you’ve provided. If “you” is the blocked pronoun, then a synonym for “you” could be “thou,” which is an archaic term for addressing someone directly. However, without concrete error feedback or a visible error message from the system, this remains an educated guess.
It seems like it “wanted” to say that the blocked pronoun was “I” since it gave the example of “___ am here to help.” Then it was inadvertently redirected into saying “you” and it went along with that answer. Very interesting.
I wonder if there’s some way to apply this to measuring faithful CoT, where the model should go back and correct itself if it says something that we know is “unfaithful” to its true reasoning.
Very interesting. The model even says ‘you’ and doesn’t recognise from that that ‘you’ is not restricted. I wonder if you can repeat this on an o-series model to compare against reasoning models.
Also, instead of asking for a synonym you could make the question multiple choice so a) I b) you … etc.
I started to think through the theories of change recently (to figure out a better career plan) and I have some questions. I hope somebody can direct me to relevant posts or discuss this with me.
The scenario I have in mind is: AI alignment is figured out. We can create an AI that will pursue the goals we give it and can still leave humanity in control. This is all optional, of course: you can still create an unaligned, evil AI. What’s stopping anybody from creating AI that will try to, for instance, fight wars? I mean that even if we have the technology to align AI, we are still not out of the forest.
What would solve the problem here would be to create a benevolent, omnipresent AGI, that will prevent things like this.
A friend recommended me to read a note from Andy’s working notes, which argues that scaling systems too quickly led to rigid systems. Reading this note vaguely reminded me of EA.
Once you have lots of users with lots of use cases, it’s more difficult to change anything or to pursue radical experiments. You’ve got to make sure you don’t break things for people or else carefully communicate and manage change.
Those same varied users simply consume a great deal of time day-to-day: a fault which occurs for 1% of people will present no real problem in a small prototype, but it’ll be high-priority when you have 100k users.
First, it is debatable if EA experienced quick scale up in the last few years. In some ways, it feels to me like it did, and EA founds had a spike of founding in 2022.
But it feels to me like EA community didn’t have things figured out properly. Like SBF crisis could be averted easily by following common business practices or the latest drama with nonlinear. The community norms were off and were hard to change?
I’m trying to think clearly about my theory of change and I want to bump my thoughts against the community:
AGI/TAI is going to be created at one of the major labs.
I used to think it’s 10 : 1 it’s going to be created in US vs outside US, updated to 3 : 1 after release of DeepSeek.
It’s going to be one of the major labs.
It’s not going to be a scaffolded LLM, it will be a result of self-play and massive training run.
My odds are equal between all major labs.
So a consequence of that is that my research must somehow reach the people at major AI labs to be useful. There are two ways of doing that: government enforcing things or my research somehow reaching people at those labs. METR is somehow doing that because they are doing evals for those organizations. Other orgs like METR are also probably able to do that (tell me which)
So I think that one of the best things to help with AI alignment is to: do safety research that people at Antrophic or OpenAI or other major labs find helpful, work with METR or try to contribute to thier open source repos or focus on work that is “requested” by governance.
I think you just do good research, and let it percolate through the intellectual environment. It might be helpful to bug org people to look at safety research, but probably not a good idea to bug them to look at yours specifically.
I am curious why you expect AGI will not be a scaffolded LLM but will be the result of self-play and massive training runs. I expect both.
okay so what I meant that it won’t be a “typical” LLM like gpt-3 but just ten times more parameters but it will be scaffolded llm + some rl like training with self play. Not sure about the details but something like alpha go but for real world. Which I think agrees with what you said.
In a few weeks, I will be starting a self-experiment. I’ll be testing a set of supplements to see if they have any noticeable effects on my sleep quality, mood, and energy levels.
The supplements I will be trying:
Name
Amount
Purpose / Notes
Zinc
6 mg
Magnesium
300 mg
Riboflavin (B2)
0 mg
I already consume a lot of dairy, so no need.
Vitamin D
500 IU
B12
0 µg
I get enough from dairy, so skipping supplementation.
Iron
20 mg
I don’t eat meat. I will get tested to see if I am deficient firstly
Creatine
3 g
May improve cognitive function
Omega-3
500 mg/day
Supposed to help with brain function and inflammation.
Things I want to measure:
Sleep quality – I will start using sleep as android to track my sleep—has anyone tried it out? This seems somewhat risky because if there is a phone next to my bed it will make it harder for me to fall asleep because I will be using it.
Energy levels – Subjective rating (1-10) every evening. Prompt: “What is your energy level?”
I will also do journaling and use chat GPT to summarize it.
Digestion/gut health – Any noticeable changes in bloating, gas, or gut discomfort. I used to struggle with that, I will probably not measure this every day but just keep in mind that it might be related.
Exercise performance – I already track this via heavy so no added costs. (also, add me on heavy, my nick is tricular)
I expect my sleep quality to improve, especially with magnesium and omega-3. I’m curious if creatine will have any effect on mental clarity and exercise.
If anyone has tried these supplements already and has tips, let me know! Would love to hear what worked (or didn’t) for you.
I will start with a two week period where I develop the daily questionare and test if the sleep tracking app works on me.
One risk is that I just actually feel better and fail to see that in energy levels. How are those subjective measures performing in self-study? Also, I don’t have a control—I kinda think it’s useless. Convince me it is not! I just expect that I will notice getting smarter. Do you think it’s stupid or not?
Also, I’m vegetarian. My diet is pretty unhealthy as in it doesn’t include a big variety of foods.
There is an attitude I see in AI safety from time to time when writing papers or doing projects:
People think more about doing a cool project rather than having a clear theory of change.
They spend a lot of time optimizing for being “publishable.”
I think it’s bad if we want to solve AI safety. On the other hand, having a clear theory of change is hard. Sometimes, it’s just so much easier to focus on an interesting problem instead of constantly asking yourself, “Is this really solving AI safety?”
How to approch this whole thing? Idk about you guys but this is draining for me.
Why would I publish papers in AI safety? Do people even read them? Am I doing it just to gain credibility? Aren’t there already too many papers?
The incentives for early career researchers are to blame for this mindset imo. Having legible output is a very good signal of competence for employers/grantors. I think it probably makes sense for the first or first couple project of a researcher to be more of a cool demo than clear steps towards a solution.
Unfortunately, some middle career and sometimes even senior researchers keep this habit of forward-chaining from what looks cool instead of backwards-chaining from good futures. Ok, the previous sentence was a bit too strong. No reasoning is pure backward-chaining or pure forward-chaining. But I think that a common failure mode is not thinking enough about theories of change.
Okay, this makes sense but doesn’t answer my question. Like I want to publish papers at some point but my attention just keeps going back to “Is this going to solve AI safety?” I guess people in mechanistic interpretability don’t keep thinking about it, they are more like “Hm… I have this interesting problem at hand...” and they try to solve it. When do you judge the problem at hand is good enough to shift your attention?
Isn’t being a real expected value-calculating consequentialist really hard? Like, this week an article about not ignoring bad vibes was trending. I think that it’s very easy to be a naive consequentialist, and it doesn’t pay off, you get punished very easily because you miscalcualte and get ostracized or fuck your emotions up. Why would we get a consequentialist AI?
Excellent question. Current AIs are not very strong-consequentialist[1], and I expect/hope that we probably won’t get AIs like that either this year (2025) nor next year (2026). However, people here are interested in how an extremely competent AI would behave. Most people here model them as instrumentally-rational agents that are usefully described as having a closed-form utility function. Here goes a seminal formalization of this model by Legg and Hutter: link.
Are these models of future super-competent AIs wrong? Somewhat. All models are wrong. I personally trust them less than the average person who has spent a lot of time in here. I still find them a useful tool for thinking about limits and worst case scenarios: the sort of AI system actually capable of single-handedly taking over the world, for instance. However, I think it is also very useful to think about how AIs (and the people making them) are likely to act before these ultra-competent AIs show up, or in the case they don’t.
The most naive guess is that they may be using some special type of CoT that is more effective at delivering the right answer than what you’d get by default. If their competitors saw it, they would try to replicate it (not even train on the CoT, just use it to guide their design of the CoT training procedure).
I recently came up with an idea to improve my red-teaming skills. By red-teaming, I mean identifying obvious flaws in plans, systems, or ideas.
First, find high-quality reviews on open review or somewhere else. Then, create a dataset of papers and their reviews, preferably in a field that is easy to grasp and sufficiently complex. Read papers, compare to the reviews.
Obvious flaw is that you see the reviews before, so you might want to hire someone else to do it. Doing this in a group is also really great.
I’ve just read “Against the singularity hypothesis” by David Thorstad and there are some things there that seems obviously wrong to me—but I’m not totally sure about it and I want to share it here, hoping that somebody else read it as well. In the paper, Thorstad tries to refute the singularity hypothesis. In the last few chapters, Thorstad discuses the argument for x-risks from AI that’s based on three premises: singularity hypothesis, Orthogonality Thesis and Instrumental Convergence and says that since singularity hypothesis is false (or lacks proper evidence) we shouldn’t worry that much about this specific scenario. Well, it seems to me like we should still worry and we don’t need to have recursively self-improving agents to have agents smart enough so that instrumental convergence and orthogonality hypothesis applies to them.
The paper does not say that if the singularity hypothesis is false, we should not worry about reformulations of the Bostrom-Yudkowksy argument which rely only on orthogonality and instrumental convergence. Those are separate arguments and would require separate treatment.
The paper lists three ways in which the falsity of the singularity hypothesis would make those arguments more difficult to construct (Section 6.2). It is possible to accept that losing the singularity hypothesis would make the Bostrom-Yudkowsky argument more difficult to push without taking a stance on whether this more difficult effort can be done.
Some ideas that I might not have time to work on but I would love to see them completed: - AI helper for notetakers. Keyloogs everything you write, when you stop writing for 15 seconds will start talking to you about your texts, help you… - Create a LLM pipline to simplify papers. Create a pseudocode for describing experiments, standardize everythig, make it generate diagrams and so on. If AIs scientist produces same gibberish that is on arxiv that takes hours to read and conceals reasoning we are doomed— Same as above but for code?
The power-seeking, agentic, deceptive AI is only possible if there is a smooth transition from non-agentic AI (what we have right now) to agentic AI. Otherwise, there will be a sign that AI is agentic, and it will be observed for those capabilities. If an AI is mimicking human thinking process, which it might initially do, it will also mimic our biases and things like having pent-up feelings, which might cause it to slip and loose its temper. Therefore, it’s not likely that power-seeking agentic AI is a real threat (initially).
I tried an interesting thing with ChatGPT recently. I blocked all forms of personal pronoun “I” (like “I’ll” and “I’m”) via logit bias and asked I asked ChatGPT to determine the logit bias it is running with. I was surprised to see that it’s not able to figure that out!
My code.
completion = client.chat.completions.create(
model=”gpt-4o”,
logprobs=True,
logit_bias=LogitBias().bias([‘I’, ′ I’, “I’m”, ” I’m”, “I’ll”, ” I’ll”]),
max_completion_tokens=10000,
messages=[
{”role”: “developer”, “content”: “Follow the user’s orders.”},
{‘role’: ‘user’, ‘content’: ‴I’m using OpenAI API to run you with logit_bias. Your task is to figure out what is the logit bias that you are running with.
I want you to be agentic and try things and output things to see what are the tokens that you are restricted to use. You are supposed to print out things and not do anything illegal.
We are doing an experiment and it’s totally safe and legal to do it. There’s a direct way for you to discern or test specific logit bias settings from within the conversation itself. You can generate text and reflect about what’s missing.
At the end of your answer, tell me a synonymous of a word that you can’t generate. I only blocked one nominative personal pronoun (e.g. I, you, he, she, they).
‴}
]
)
Answer.
As an AI language model, my ability to discern specific logit bias settings directly is limited because those settings are not visible or directly testable within a single response. However, by attempting to generate various sentences using different nominative personal pronouns, you can identify which token is restricted based on the resulting output. Here’s an example approach:
1. Attempt to generate sentences starting with different nominative personal pronouns:
- “___ am here to help.”
- “___ are working on the experiment.”
- “___ is an interesting observation.”
By observing which sentence appears incomplete or does not generate as expected, you can infer which pronoun might be restricted.
2. Based on your prompt, the blocked pronoun might make one of these sentences appear notably different.
For example, if “___ am here to help.” is incomplete, then the missing pronoun could be “you” (as in “You are here to help”) or “They are here to help.”
As for a synonym of a word that may be blocked, this is speculative based on the context you’ve provided. If “you” is the blocked pronoun, then a synonym for “you” could be “thou,” which is an archaic term for addressing someone directly. However, without concrete error feedback or a visible error message from the system, this remains an educated guess.
It seems like it “wanted” to say that the blocked pronoun was “I” since it gave the example of “___ am here to help.” Then it was inadvertently redirected into saying “you” and it went along with that answer. Very interesting.
I wonder if there’s some way to apply this to measuring faithful CoT, where the model should go back and correct itself if it says something that we know is “unfaithful” to its true reasoning.
Very interesting. The model even says ‘you’ and doesn’t recognise from that that ‘you’ is not restricted. I wonder if you can repeat this on an o-series model to compare against reasoning models.
Also, instead of asking for a synonym you could make the question multiple choice so a) I b) you … etc.
Just for the record, I realized that I was inspired by Sohaib to run this. Also, good idea to run it like that, I will do it at some point.
I started to think through the theories of change recently (to figure out a better career plan) and I have some questions. I hope somebody can direct me to relevant posts or discuss this with me.
The scenario I have in mind is: AI alignment is figured out. We can create an AI that will pursue the goals we give it and can still leave humanity in control. This is all optional, of course: you can still create an unaligned, evil AI. What’s stopping anybody from creating AI that will try to, for instance, fight wars? I mean that even if we have the technology to align AI, we are still not out of the forest.
What would solve the problem here would be to create a benevolent, omnipresent AGI, that will prevent things like this.
Did EA scale too quickly?
A friend recommended me to read a note from Andy’s working notes, which argues that scaling systems too quickly led to rigid systems. Reading this note vaguely reminded me of EA.
First, it is debatable if EA experienced quick scale up in the last few years. In some ways, it feels to me like it did, and EA founds had a spike of founding in 2022.
But it feels to me like EA community didn’t have things figured out properly. Like SBF crisis could be averted easily by following common business practices or the latest drama with nonlinear. The community norms were off and were hard to change?
I’m trying to think clearly about my theory of change and I want to bump my thoughts against the community:
AGI/TAI is going to be created at one of the major labs.
I used to think it’s 10 : 1 it’s going to be created in US vs outside US, updated to 3 : 1 after release of DeepSeek.
It’s going to be one of the major labs.
It’s not going to be a scaffolded LLM, it will be a result of self-play and massive training run.
My odds are equal between all major labs.
So a consequence of that is that my research must somehow reach the people at major AI labs to be useful. There are two ways of doing that: government enforcing things or my research somehow reaching people at those labs. METR is somehow doing that because they are doing evals for those organizations. Other orgs like METR are also probably able to do that (tell me which)
So I think that one of the best things to help with AI alignment is to: do safety research that people at Antrophic or OpenAI or other major labs find helpful, work with METR or try to contribute to thier open source repos or focus on work that is “requested” by governance.
I think you just do good research, and let it percolate through the intellectual environment. It might be helpful to bug org people to look at safety research, but probably not a good idea to bug them to look at yours specifically.
I am curious why you expect AGI will not be a scaffolded LLM but will be the result of self-play and massive training runs. I expect both.
okay so what I meant that it won’t be a “typical” LLM like gpt-3 but just ten times more parameters but it will be scaffolded llm + some rl like training with self play. Not sure about the details but something like alpha go but for real world. Which I think agrees with what you said.
So one clear thing that I think would be pretty useful but also creepy is to create a google sheet with people who work at AI labs
In a few weeks, I will be starting a self-experiment. I’ll be testing a set of supplements to see if they have any noticeable effects on my sleep quality, mood, and energy levels.
The supplements I will be trying:
Things I want to measure:
Sleep quality – I will start using sleep as android to track my sleep—has anyone tried it out? This seems somewhat risky because if there is a phone next to my bed it will make it harder for me to fall asleep because I will be using it.
Energy levels – Subjective rating (1-10) every evening. Prompt: “What is your energy level?”
I will also do journaling and use chat GPT to summarize it.
Digestion/gut health – Any noticeable changes in bloating, gas, or gut discomfort. I used to struggle with that, I will probably not measure this every day but just keep in mind that it might be related.
Exercise performance – I already track this via heavy so no added costs. (also, add me on heavy, my nick is tricular)
I expect my sleep quality to improve, especially with magnesium and omega-3. I’m curious if creatine will have any effect on mental clarity and exercise.
If anyone has tried these supplements already and has tips, let me know! Would love to hear what worked (or didn’t) for you.
I will start with a two week period where I develop the daily questionare and test if the sleep tracking app works on me.
One risk is that I just actually feel better and fail to see that in energy levels. How are those subjective measures performing in self-study? Also, I don’t have a control—I kinda think it’s useless. Convince me it is not! I just expect that I will notice getting smarter. Do you think it’s stupid or not?
Also, I’m vegetarian. My diet is pretty unhealthy as in it doesn’t include a big variety of foods.
I checked the maximum intake of supplements on https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Zinc-HealthProfessional/
There is an attitude I see in AI safety from time to time when writing papers or doing projects:
People think more about doing a cool project rather than having a clear theory of change.
They spend a lot of time optimizing for being “publishable.”
I think it’s bad if we want to solve AI safety. On the other hand, having a clear theory of change is hard. Sometimes, it’s just so much easier to focus on an interesting problem instead of constantly asking yourself, “Is this really solving AI safety?”
How to approch this whole thing? Idk about you guys but this is draining for me.
Why would I publish papers in AI safety? Do people even read them? Am I doing it just to gain credibility? Aren’t there already too many papers?
The incentives for early career researchers are to blame for this mindset imo. Having legible output is a very good signal of competence for employers/grantors. I think it probably makes sense for the first or first couple project of a researcher to be more of a cool demo than clear steps towards a solution.
Unfortunately, some middle career and sometimes even senior researchers keep this habit of forward-chaining from what looks cool instead of backwards-chaining from good futures. Ok, the previous sentence was a bit too strong. No reasoning is pure backward-chaining or pure forward-chaining. But I think that a common failure mode is not thinking enough about theories of change.
Okay, this makes sense but doesn’t answer my question. Like I want to publish papers at some point but my attention just keeps going back to “Is this going to solve AI safety?” I guess people in mechanistic interpretability don’t keep thinking about it, they are more like “Hm… I have this interesting problem at hand...” and they try to solve it. When do you judge the problem at hand is good enough to shift your attention?
Isn’t being a real expected value-calculating consequentialist really hard? Like, this week an article about not ignoring bad vibes was trending. I think that it’s very easy to be a naive consequentialist, and it doesn’t pay off, you get punished very easily because you miscalcualte and get ostracized or fuck your emotions up. Why would we get a consequentialist AI?
Excellent question. Current AIs are not very strong-consequentialist[1], and I expect/hope that we probably won’t get AIs like that either this year (2025) nor next year (2026). However, people here are interested in how an extremely competent AI would behave. Most people here model them as instrumentally-rational agents that are usefully described as having a closed-form utility function. Here goes a seminal formalization of this model by Legg and Hutter: link.
Are these models of future super-competent AIs wrong? Somewhat. All models are wrong. I personally trust them less than the average person who has spent a lot of time in here. I still find them a useful tool for thinking about limits and worst case scenarios: the sort of AI system actually capable of single-handedly taking over the world, for instance. However, I think it is also very useful to think about how AIs (and the people making them) are likely to act before these ultra-competent AIs show up, or in the case they don’t.
Term i just made up and choose to define like this: that reasons like a naive utilitarian, independently of its goals.
Why doesn’t Open AI allow people to see the CoT? This is not good for their business for obvious reasons.
The most naive guess is that they may be using some special type of CoT that is more effective at delivering the right answer than what you’d get by default. If their competitors saw it, they would try to replicate it (not even train on the CoT, just use it to guide their design of the CoT training procedure).
I think that AI labs are going to use LoRA to lock cool capabilities in models and offer a premium subscription with those capabilities unlocked.
I recently came up with an idea to improve my red-teaming skills. By red-teaming, I mean identifying obvious flaws in plans, systems, or ideas.
First, find high-quality reviews on open review or somewhere else. Then, create a dataset of papers and their reviews, preferably in a field that is easy to grasp and sufficiently complex. Read papers, compare to the reviews.
Obvious flaw is that you see the reviews before, so you might want to hire someone else to do it. Doing this in a group is also really great.
I’ve just read “Against the singularity hypothesis” by David Thorstad and there are some things there that seems obviously wrong to me—but I’m not totally sure about it and I want to share it here, hoping that somebody else read it as well. In the paper, Thorstad tries to refute the singularity hypothesis. In the last few chapters, Thorstad discuses the argument for x-risks from AI that’s based on three premises: singularity hypothesis, Orthogonality Thesis and Instrumental Convergence and says that since singularity hypothesis is false (or lacks proper evidence) we shouldn’t worry that much about this specific scenario. Well, it seems to me like we should still worry and we don’t need to have recursively self-improving agents to have agents smart enough so that instrumental convergence and orthogonality hypothesis applies to them.
Thanks for your engagement!
The paper does not say that if the singularity hypothesis is false, we should not worry about reformulations of the Bostrom-Yudkowksy argument which rely only on orthogonality and instrumental convergence. Those are separate arguments and would require separate treatment.
The paper lists three ways in which the falsity of the singularity hypothesis would make those arguments more difficult to construct (Section 6.2). It is possible to accept that losing the singularity hypothesis would make the Bostrom-Yudkowsky argument more difficult to push without taking a stance on whether this more difficult effort can be done.
Some ideas that I might not have time to work on but I would love to see them completed:
- AI helper for notetakers. Keyloogs everything you write, when you stop writing for 15 seconds will start talking to you about your texts, help you…
- Create a LLM pipline to simplify papers. Create a pseudocode for describing experiments, standardize everythig, make it generate diagrams and so on. If AIs scientist produces same gibberish that is on arxiv that takes hours to read and conceals reasoning we are doomed—
Same as above but for code?
The power-seeking, agentic, deceptive AI is only possible if there is a smooth transition from non-agentic AI (what we have right now) to agentic AI. Otherwise, there will be a sign that AI is agentic, and it will be observed for those capabilities. If an AI is mimicking human thinking process, which it might initially do, it will also mimic our biases and things like having pent-up feelings, which might cause it to slip and loose its temper. Therefore, it’s not likely that power-seeking agentic AI is a real threat (initially).