“it has happened” is far less rare than CREATING the land, which has never happened. I think what most commenters are pointing out is that the mechanics of the ice-landmass are very difficult, but the overall proposal shares the majority of difficulties with non-creation ideas. Those difficulties are social and legal—the fact that other humans are GOING to interfere with your desires. Some of those other humans are going to join you and try to take over from within, and some will stay external, but will claim rights over your use and behavior from a distance.
other humans are GOING to interfere with your desires. Some of those other humans are going to join you and try to take over from within, and some will stay external, but will claim rights over your use and behavior from a distance.
well, yes, but having your own land massively impedes external enemies. This is why nations are a thing. Internal enemies cannot be beaten with mere mechanical engineering but that is not the topic of this post and again note that nations get stuff done despite having internal factions and enemies.
but having your own land massively impedes external enemies. This is why nations are a thing.
We have no clue how and whether this is true for new (or newly-valuable) land created in places that currently have international treaties about them. Geographic Sovereignty seems pretty iffy in at least one new-ish nation (Israel), and Ukraine may or may not be able to stay separate.
Having a dedicated nationalist population with historical willingness to defend seems to be the major impediment. This is easily conflated with “your own land”, but the land is a prerequisite, not a cause.
Having a dedicated nationalist population with historical willingness to defend seems to be the major impediment. This is easily conflated with “your own land”, but the land is a prerequisite, not a cause
Sure. But a population without land can easily be classified as criminals and subdued. Once they have land they are a nation.
The Kurds are a good example of this. Every nation-state with Kurds has a common interest in denying them nationhood so that Kurds won’t claim territory or cause trouble.
Minorities in the USSR, in Anatolia in 1917 and many other places fall into the trap of being a people without land and pay for it.
“it has happened” is far less rare than CREATING the land, which has never happened. I think what most commenters are pointing out is that the mechanics of the ice-landmass are very difficult, but the overall proposal shares the majority of difficulties with non-creation ideas. Those difficulties are social and legal—the fact that other humans are GOING to interfere with your desires. Some of those other humans are going to join you and try to take over from within, and some will stay external, but will claim rights over your use and behavior from a distance.
well, yes, but having your own land massively impedes external enemies. This is why nations are a thing. Internal enemies cannot be beaten with mere mechanical engineering but that is not the topic of this post and again note that nations get stuff done despite having internal factions and enemies.
We have no clue how and whether this is true for new (or newly-valuable) land created in places that currently have international treaties about them. Geographic Sovereignty seems pretty iffy in at least one new-ish nation (Israel), and Ukraine may or may not be able to stay separate.
Having a dedicated nationalist population with historical willingness to defend seems to be the major impediment. This is easily conflated with “your own land”, but the land is a prerequisite, not a cause.
Sure. But a population without land can easily be classified as criminals and subdued. Once they have land they are a nation.
The Kurds are a good example of this. Every nation-state with Kurds has a common interest in denying them nationhood so that Kurds won’t claim territory or cause trouble.
Minorities in the USSR, in Anatolia in 1917 and many other places fall into the trap of being a people without land and pay for it.