Firstly, we don’t understand where this logical time might come from, or how to learn it
Okay, you can’t write a sentence like that and expect me not to say that it’s another manifestation of the problem of the criterion.
Yes, I realize this is not the problem you’re interested in, but it’s one I’m interested in, so this seems like a good opportunity to think about it anyway.
The issue seems to be that we don’t have a good way to ground the order on world states (or, subjectively speaking if we want to be maximally cautious here, experience moments) since we only ever are experiencing one moment at a time and any evidence we have about previous (or future) moments is something encoded within the present moment, say as a thought. So we don’t have a fully justifiable notion of what it means for one moment to come before or after another since any evidence I try to collect about it is at some level indistinguishable from the situation where I’m a Botlzmann brain that exists for only one moment and then vanishes.
Of course we can be pragmatic about it, since that’s really the only option if we want to do stuff, and we certainly are, hence why we have theories of time or causality at all. So ultimately I guess I agree with you there’s not much to say here about this first problem, since at some point it becomes an unresolvable question of metaphysics, and if we build a robust enough model of time then the metaphysical question is of no practical importance anyway for the level of abstraction at which we are operating.
Okay, you can’t write a sentence like that and expect me not to say that it’s another manifestation of the problem of the criterion.
Yes, I realize this is not the problem you’re interested in, but it’s one I’m interested in, so this seems like a good opportunity to think about it anyway.
The issue seems to be that we don’t have a good way to ground the order on world states (or, subjectively speaking if we want to be maximally cautious here, experience moments) since we only ever are experiencing one moment at a time and any evidence we have about previous (or future) moments is something encoded within the present moment, say as a thought. So we don’t have a fully justifiable notion of what it means for one moment to come before or after another since any evidence I try to collect about it is at some level indistinguishable from the situation where I’m a Botlzmann brain that exists for only one moment and then vanishes.
Of course we can be pragmatic about it, since that’s really the only option if we want to do stuff, and we certainly are, hence why we have theories of time or causality at all. So ultimately I guess I agree with you there’s not much to say here about this first problem, since at some point it becomes an unresolvable question of metaphysics, and if we build a robust enough model of time then the metaphysical question is of no practical importance anyway for the level of abstraction at which we are operating.