Saying you’re proud of your Native American ancestry often won’t be interpreted as a claim of superiority because such statements are saiid in a social context where everyone knows that Native Americans have suffered and saying you’re proud of your ancestry is not asserting that you’re superior, but rather than you’re not inferior.
Furthermore, to the extent that it is a claim of superiority but objecting to it will be called racist, that’s a problem with the ease of making accusations of racism, not a problem with the objection.
People act like this prejudice against people with a high IQ is okay and that gifted people should behave like an oppressed minority by hiding their difference.
There isn’t prejudice against people with a high IQ. There’s prejudice against stating that you have a high IQ, unlike for minorities, where even minorities that try to “pass” for the majority will be the target of prejudice if found out.
And there’s only prejudice against stating you have a high IQ because stating you have a high IQ is stating that you are superior based on flimsy reasons. (And no, you can’t state your IQ without claiming you’re superior, since you can’t escape the social context.)
There isn’t prejudice against people with a high IQ.
Perhaps you intended that within a specific context from the comment above like “These introduction examples don’t cause a problem because of prejudice, but because they sound like claims to superiority”, in which case I’d agree with you. However, I disagree about whether there exists prejudice against people with high IQs in the broader context. If that’s truly what you meant, I’d be happy to elaborate, but please specify so I am not accidentally arguing with a strawman.
And no, you can’t state your IQ without claiming you’re superior, since you can’t escape the social context.
I am very interested in this concept of superiority, because “superiority” seems to be an important key here. What does it mean to you? If a person is superior, is it okay to treat them differently? What sort of differently and why? If someone makes a claim to superiority, how do you think people should react, and why?
Perhaps you intended that within a specific context from the comment above like “These introduction examples don’t cause a problem because of prejudice, but because they sound like claims to superiority”, in which case I’d agree with you.
I’m sure you could find one specific example in the world of someone prejudiced against someone because of high IQ, but I’d say that in general, there isn’t such prejudice. There may be prejudice against intelligence, but that’s not the same thing, and even that only exists in a few limited situations.
If a person is superior, is it okay to treat them differently?
I don’t see the relevance. A claim of superiority (especially an unwarranted one) isn’t the same thing as actual superiority.
I’m sure you could find one specific example in the world of someone prejudiced against someone because of high IQ, but I’d say that in general, there isn’t such prejudice. There may be prejudice against intelligence, but that’s not the same thing, and even that only exists in a few limited situations.
I’m not clear what the difference here is between being prejudiced against someone because of IQ, and because of intelligence; since IQ is a pretty good measure of intelligence, it’d be pretty hard to be prejudiced against one and not the other...
In any case, there do seem to be historically a lot of cases of anti-intellectualism (I like the Khmer Rouge targeting people with glasses), and traditional societies do favor high Openness a lot less than modern societies (see Miller).
That subclause is doing an awful lot of work in your argument.
I’d say that IQ measures part of what most people consider intelligence, but isn’t the same as it, and even as a measure of that it isn’t an exact measure.
That subclause is doing an awful lot of work in your argument.
Well, it’s a good thing we’ve got a century or so of work on the positive manifold/g. I wouldn’t want to make anything but one of the best established tests do so much work in my argument!
I’d say that IQ measures part of what most people consider intelligence, but isn’t the same as it, and even as a measure of that it isn’t an exact measure.
It does not measure all cognitive traits, no, and as a measure it has a pretty precisely known amount of unreliability in it.
Yet I fail to see how either of your sentences are a reply to my comment.
Saying you’re proud of your Native American ancestry often won’t be interpreted as a claim of superiority because such statements are saiid in a social context where everyone knows that Native Americans have suffered and saying you’re proud of your ancestry is not asserting that you’re superior, but rather than you’re not inferior.
Furthermore, to the extent that it is a claim of superiority but objecting to it will be called racist, that’s a problem with the ease of making accusations of racism, not a problem with the objection.
There isn’t prejudice against people with a high IQ. There’s prejudice against stating that you have a high IQ, unlike for minorities, where even minorities that try to “pass” for the majority will be the target of prejudice if found out.
And there’s only prejudice against stating you have a high IQ because stating you have a high IQ is stating that you are superior based on flimsy reasons. (And no, you can’t state your IQ without claiming you’re superior, since you can’t escape the social context.)
Perhaps you intended that within a specific context from the comment above like “These introduction examples don’t cause a problem because of prejudice, but because they sound like claims to superiority”, in which case I’d agree with you. However, I disagree about whether there exists prejudice against people with high IQs in the broader context. If that’s truly what you meant, I’d be happy to elaborate, but please specify so I am not accidentally arguing with a strawman.
I am very interested in this concept of superiority, because “superiority” seems to be an important key here. What does it mean to you? If a person is superior, is it okay to treat them differently? What sort of differently and why? If someone makes a claim to superiority, how do you think people should react, and why?
I’m sure you could find one specific example in the world of someone prejudiced against someone because of high IQ, but I’d say that in general, there isn’t such prejudice. There may be prejudice against intelligence, but that’s not the same thing, and even that only exists in a few limited situations.
I don’t see the relevance. A claim of superiority (especially an unwarranted one) isn’t the same thing as actual superiority.
I’m not clear what the difference here is between being prejudiced against someone because of IQ, and because of intelligence; since IQ is a pretty good measure of intelligence, it’d be pretty hard to be prejudiced against one and not the other...
In any case, there do seem to be historically a lot of cases of anti-intellectualism (I like the Khmer Rouge targeting people with glasses), and traditional societies do favor high Openness a lot less than modern societies (see Miller).
That subclause is doing an awful lot of work in your argument.
I’d say that IQ measures part of what most people consider intelligence, but isn’t the same as it, and even as a measure of that it isn’t an exact measure.
Well, it’s a good thing we’ve got a century or so of work on the positive manifold/g. I wouldn’t want to make anything but one of the best established tests do so much work in my argument!
It does not measure all cognitive traits, no, and as a measure it has a pretty precisely known amount of unreliability in it.
Yet I fail to see how either of your sentences are a reply to my comment.