Inadequate Equilibrium (IE) - Israeli media is inadequate at disqualifying Bibi. Coordinated action (CA) - an attention boycott of Benjamin Netanyahu (PM of Israel). not going into detail—basically it seems that any attention given to him, whether in good or bad light, is only helping him. but he also brings a lot of of rating (Well, similar to trump, this would have been even more fitting for him). The aim is for media people on the left (in Israel), i estimate at least 1000 media personal willing to join if the other 1000 do too (I also think of a few specific people who i think will join).
IE—vegans aren’t adequate enough at changing market norms. CA—buying only from 100% vegan companies, if at least 200,000 other vegans do so too. I’m not sure if it’s feasible in 2019 (Both i terms of market, and willingness for vegans), but it’s something i can see, and would likely join, in the feature.
IE—vegans can be more adequate at reducing suffering. CA—Adopting a wider definition of veganism, to include avoiding things like palm oil, i think it’s a good thing to do, but would do it only if there’s a major movement in that direction, including with vegan Food producers. In Israel I estimate it’s feasible to get at least 40,000 vegans (Out of half a million) on board, together with many producers (which will make even vegans who didn’t commit consume less of these)
IE—school start times are hurting students health and cognitive abilities. CA—Arriving a hour and half late if a 150 other students do too. Would have been feasible in the school I’ve been in.
Hmm… yeah i guess, though it will be “against” the school, not the state. also it’s a democratic school, so it will probably be seen in a better light.
But yeah, it brings up again the ethical issue of whether such a website should only allow action that obey the law. I think this case of civil disobedience should be allowed, but do we want all civil disobedience to be allowed?
Maybe the spirit of this martin Luther king quote is right
“Any man who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail in order to arouse the conscience of the community on the injustice of the law is at that moment expressing the very highest respect for law”
Nod. I asked the question mostly just to clarify what you meant. But I do think it’s probably necessary for the tool to ban illegal things, if only because otherwise it’ll come under fire from governments.
I do feel like the ideal outcome is somehow “you can use to the tool to coordinate civil disobedience but only when it’s… ‘good’”, but I think it’d be both too hard a legal battle and also too hard to thread the needle of “not accidentally causing a bunch of weirdly bad outcomes.”
I do think “everyone shows up late for school every day until the policy changes” is probably fine.
In the spirit of raemon’s specification, here are much more specific situations.
Inadequate Equilibrium (IE) - Israeli media is inadequate at disqualifying Bibi. Coordinated action (CA) - an attention boycott of Benjamin Netanyahu (PM of Israel). not going into detail—basically it seems that any attention given to him, whether in good or bad light, is only helping him. but he also brings a lot of of rating (Well, similar to trump, this would have been even more fitting for him). The aim is for media people on the left (in Israel), i estimate at least 1000 media personal willing to join if the other 1000 do too (I also think of a few specific people who i think will join).
IE—vegans aren’t adequate enough at changing market norms. CA—buying only from 100% vegan companies, if at least 200,000 other vegans do so too. I’m not sure if it’s feasible in 2019 (Both i terms of market, and willingness for vegans), but it’s something i can see, and would likely join, in the feature.
IE—vegans can be more adequate at reducing suffering. CA—Adopting a wider definition of veganism, to include avoiding things like palm oil, i think it’s a good thing to do, but would do it only if there’s a major movement in that direction, including with vegan Food producers. In Israel I estimate it’s feasible to get at least 40,000 vegans (Out of half a million) on board, together with many producers (which will make even vegans who didn’t commit consume less of these)
IE—school start times are hurting students health and cognitive abilities. CA—Arriving a hour and half late if a 150 other students do too. Would have been feasible in the school I’ve been in.
With the start time thing, is the idea that students basically wage a civil disobedience campaign?
Hmm… yeah i guess, though it will be “against” the school, not the state. also it’s a democratic school, so it will probably be seen in a better light.
But yeah, it brings up again the ethical issue of whether such a website should only allow action that obey the law. I think this case of civil disobedience should be allowed, but do we want all civil disobedience to be allowed?
Maybe the spirit of this martin Luther king quote is right
Nod. I asked the question mostly just to clarify what you meant. But I do think it’s probably necessary for the tool to ban illegal things, if only because otherwise it’ll come under fire from governments.
I do feel like the ideal outcome is somehow “you can use to the tool to coordinate civil disobedience but only when it’s… ‘good’”, but I think it’d be both too hard a legal battle and also too hard to thread the needle of “not accidentally causing a bunch of weirdly bad outcomes.”
I do think “everyone shows up late for school every day until the policy changes” is probably fine.
The trick is, if enough people do it/do it for reasons the school’s administrator approves of, they don’t get in trouble.